Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jay Fox (wrestler)


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The result was   delete. j⚛e deckertalk 04:19, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Jay Fox (wrestler)

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Unsourced and not notable. Looks like a local Puerto Rican wrestler. We don't know even if the guy exist. HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:00, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment Also, the only source (a title history) says that Phoenix Star (other wrestler) won the title. No source Jay Fox wrestled as Phoenix Starr and won the title. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:08, 11 November 2014 (UTC)


 * The wrestler Jay Fox adopted the gimmick in 2007 as part of a later kayfabe feud between him and the original Phoenix Star. Being puertorican wrestling, it isn't covered by much media, so there aren't many sources. Beinging a former booker and wrestling executive in Puerto Rico, and having been to almost every IWA and WWC wrestling event for the past 15 years, I can confirm the feud. The original Phoenix Star wasn't the champion, but was the reason Fox lost the title in June. There were disputes in naming him Phoenix Star II, but the company never made the effort, but Fox, as Phoenix Star, did win the Cruiserweight Championship, not the original Phonenix Star, so there's no reason to credit the original Star on winning a championship he never won. There was one difference in their names, and it was that Fox used the nickname El Lucha' instead of El Lucha as a puertorican slang, and it can be seen on the source mentioned before. PRwrestlinganalyst (talk) 3:27, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * No sources. If he isn't covered by the media, he isn't notable. He doesn't even appeared in over satruated websites like Cagematch, WrestlingData or Wrestling Internet DataBase. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 20:18, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * He isn't covered by the media because he hasn't been featured in many angles. Yes, like a lot of puertorican wrestlers, he doesn't appear on those websites, but that isn't an excuse to credit the original Phoenix Star with a championship reign he never had. Fox's title reign as the adopting Phoenix Star is a reliable source. Yes his profile isn't on those sites, but as said before, it may be due to lack of mainstream exposure and his constant inactivity due to injuries (kayfabe and legitimate). Also, those websites aren't entirely reliable, as they store information requested and sent by outside parties, and have proven before to have wrong information and data. When and if Fox comes back, I'm sure his profile will be created on those websites and all of the confusion will be over with. PRwrestlinganalyst (talk) 5:20, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * It's simple. Without sources, he isn't notable. Also, we haven't sources about Fox wrestled as Phoenix Star, only your word. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:24, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * There are sources of his championship reign as El Lucha' Phoenix Star, and yes my word, one of the former IWA bookers who were responsible for that angle. And besides when Fox decides to come back, I'm sure this will be settled and more sources will be available. Also, it's not my word, it's the IWA's, they don't recognize Phoenix Star as a Cruiserweight Champion, they recognize Jay Fox as El Lucha' Phoenix Star as a former champion, so there's no reason to credit Phoenix Star with a reign he never had, as that would be hurting this online encyclopedia's reliability, as something that didn't happen (the original Phoenix Star as a former IWA Cruiserweight Champion) would be stated. PRwrestlinganalyst (talk) 5:48, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * This is not about the IWA title. Is about Jay Fox, notable or no notable? A wrestler who doesn't appeared in sources isn't notable. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 22:49, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * He does appear in sources. Unfortunatly, since he hasn't been part of many angles, his only apperance in sources is in his adopted gimmick El Lucha' Phoenix Star. No, he doesn't appear as Jay Fox, but it's because he was only news "relevant" as El Lucha' because that was his main push, but unfortunatly he got onjured in july 2007 and lost mainstream attention, and it's the reason thats the only name that appears. I'm sure once he comes back the name will be out there alot more. PRwrestlinganalyst (talk) 7:36, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete - unless more sources appear., please provide more links to sources discussing El Lucha. One is not enough for WP:GNG. starship  .paint   ~ regal  05:16, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete As far as I can tell this fails GNG.LM2000 (talk) 02:50, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete No evidence that he meets WP:GNG. Mdtemp (talk) 19:55, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
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