Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jay Furman


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The result was No consensus. Black Kite 18:19, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Jay Furman

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I'm not so sure how this is notable for our inclusion standards. I see a good deal of memberships, however, it it not mainstream or side stream notable. Additionally, subject requests deletion. Thank you for your consideration on this. NonvocalScream (talk) 02:14, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep – Well the gentleman does have a building dedicated to him, as covered by the New York Times as noted here with the opening presented by Justice Sandra Day O'Connor of the Supreme Court.  In addition, an in-depth article, once again by the New York Times as shown here  about Mr. Furman’s efforts to revitalize Harlem. Also, found an article from the New York Law Journal as shown here .  Likewise, found at least another score of articles from much promenaded – well-respected news sources as shown here .  Moreover, the article is well written.  Does it need cites, yes.  Nevertheless, by just adding one, which I will do a little later makes for notability.  ShoesssS Talk 02:45, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Good job finding those cites. I should have looked harder.  If you don't get around to adding them, I may do so later.  Were you able to locate any other material?  Regards, NonvocalScream (talk) 02:47, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * A good deal of marginally notable folks have had buildings dedicated to them, and people do what they can to help their towns. Question is, what has he done to cause his notability?  I'm not sure this cuts it.  Regards, NonvocalScream (talk) 03:04, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL – How many have Ms. O’Connor as the speaker? In addition, the town we are talking about is New York.  The amount of the building, which Mr. Furman donated cost $100,000,000.  Just in this, I believe notability was established.  In addition, this is just one of many news articles about the gentleman.
 * Thanks – I really do appreciate the help and thank you for offering! I have already added the first New York Times piece, regarding the Building as an in-line cite and a reference on the article.  If you click on this link  it will bring you to Google News where I have already put the search criteria in and you should be able to take your pick of articles to use as cites and references.  Again, thanks, editors like yourself are truly appreciated and welcomed with open arms.  Keep up the good work. ShoesssS Talk 03:03, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Anytime :) NonvocalScream (talk) 03:05, 28 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Weak delete. Although Furman does come up in the above sources, and it's very nice to donate enough money to have a university building named for you, there is not really that much in the sources about him other than that RD Management is a major developer of shopping malls. The developer featured in the Harlem article is actually Joseph H. Holland, with Furman receiving a brief mention towards the end (the $9 million equity portion of the $40 million development budget came from a more traditional player in real estate: the developer Jay Furman and his company, the RD Management Corporation.) The recent article about the dedication does not confirm that he oversaw the construction (this says He also chaired the building committee and was instrumental in supporting               the management and construction of the new building. Being chair of a building committee ... isn't notable.) There are some trade papers that list Furman and RD Management together among the "top X shopping mall developers/owners". Altogether this is pretty weak tea. With more sources a case could be made for notability but even the sources I can find in Google News don't offer that much. --Dhartung | Talk 04:45, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Further examination supports a case for notability for RD Management under WP:CORP. I would suggest writing that article and smerging a brief mention of Furman there. As it is, we just don't need an article that's 50% a listing of charitable board activities. --Dhartung | Talk 04:50, 28 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete lack of independent sources. Guy (Help!) 23:21, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.   -- the wub  "?!"  16:12, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * *Comment – I am sorry Guy I do not mean to  be confrontational -  but what constitutes independent sources?  I always felt the New York Times and the New York Law Journal were always pretty independent.  Has Mr. Furman recently obtained a majority interest in the companies?  Thanks. ShoesssS Talk 16:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * In the case of a contentious or contended biography, non-trivial independent sources of an essentially biographical nature, not news coverage of involvement in events but profiles or other coverage where the individual, not an event, is the primary focus of the piece. That's my personal standard, anyway. Guy (Help!) 23:21, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per IRC nom. Not enough independent biographical sources.--Docg 23:11, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Sources create presumption of notability not refuted here. Minos P. Dautrieve (talk) 04:34, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per ShoesssS's sources. – thedemonhog   talk  •  edits  16:15, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


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