Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jaybahadur Hitan Magar


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep and strongly recommend a revamp. Deryck C. 21:58, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Jaybahadur Hitan Magar

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For a new user who only created and contributed to this article with this length which is impossible to write in the time between when he created his account and when he created this page, I am 99% sure that this is copyright, however I can't find the source. I believe it should be deleted anyways though because it probably is copyrighted. Dat GuyWiki (talk) 09:21, 13 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment Also, the manual of style is unencyclopedic like and more essay-like, which also leads me to believe it's copy-pasted from a non-free source. Dat GuyWiki (talk) 09:22, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree that it looks like a copy and paste, but as I'm only getting two Google hits (this article, and a Facebook page) for the name, it's not going to be easy to trace. This is possibly in part due to language and script problems, but I would expect there to be at least something somewhere. There's a little about the son (Bijay), but I can't even find his book about his father. This is very well written, albeit unencyclopaedic, and is not a machine translation from a Nepali language - at least, I can't find any clue that it wasn't written in English. This suggests to me that it was written by the son, who appears to be UK based, and that this might well be part of his book, although why I can't find evidence of the book is puzzling me. Possibly it was self-published through one of the companies that does little for the customer, or it hasn't actually come out yet. Peridon (talk) 14:10, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment The surname appears to be Hitan, with Magar relating to an ethnic or geographical grouping. But I cannot find any GHits there either. The article has no references, so is in line for deletion as it stands; if refs emerge we may be in a position to track down what looks, I agree, like a cut-and-paste text. --Anthony Bradbury"talk" 15:20, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I tried that too, and Jya- instead of Jay- as a pic has that in its title. Peridon (talk) 15:54, 13 December 2015 (UTC)


 *  Weak Delete  - This looks very much like it has been copy pasted, or it is a some kind of translation. We should probably wait at least until the book surfaces, and then rewrite this. The subject of the article seems to be a notable person, however. WP:TNT. I could not find anything about him even by using variations of the name. Ceosad (talk) 15:27, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:31, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nepal-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:31, 14 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment - Creator says on his talk page "This article is related with my grand father, some of contents are my be published in some web sites, But all copy right go's to us. Articles for deletion/Jaybahadur Hitan Magar --User:Eastlinknp (talk) 04:35, 14 December 2015 (UTC)."
 * Maybe it isn't copyrighted, but it's still WP:COI. Dat GuyWiki (talk) 15:56, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * If any of it has been published in different sites, then that statement is not enough to remove copyright worries. I take it to mean that the copyright belongs to the grandson and probably the son too - in which case WP:COPYRIGHT and/or WP:COPYVIO come(s) in. And the standard of English in the article and there are so totally different that I feel sure they are not by the same person. Peridon (talk) 21:04, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh great, so it is either conflict of interest or a copyright violation. It would be nice if we had access to those websites, so that we could at least machine translate them from Nepali language. This is just so severe case that I have to stay in support of the deletion. Anyway, this is an entirely unreferenced biography so we can simply delete it. If anybody finds the websites, I might be willing write a stub from them, after this copyvio mess is taken care of. Ceosad (talk) 00:50, 15 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment Some activity on the talk page. Anyways, a short recap is that IP 94.13.94.126 has reportedly said that he is the son of the person this article is about. He also said that he "Wrote his biography and asked Nepal based friends to upload it for me." He also added that he took information from his fathers book and edited it. Later he added information about the book "This biography in Nepali version has been published in the year 2014 in the book called JAYABAHADUR HITANMAGAR BYAKTITWA RA KRITITWA edited by Bijaya Hitanmagar (ISBN 978 9937 2 8974 0). °" Dat GuyWiki (talk) 15:51, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, so the CoI is the lesser problem here. I would be fine with Keeping this article, if we can be certain that the copyright is not a problem. We should eventually Transwikify that Nepali language content that just appeared on the article. I would still like to see another reference on the person's life. I guess I need to spend some time googling, or we should just ask help from Nepali wiki's Teahouse. I can see the good faith in these edits. The webpage mentioned on the book cover has at least this obituary, but I still have to find one related to this article. http://magarsangh.org.np/2015/12/11/ Ceosad (talk) 17:03, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * This whole case might be a typical WP:INDAFD issue. It looks like no one in India and Nepal writes about books in the internet. This person is somewhat widely cited in Western books and papers concerning Maoism and ethnic activism among the Magar people, but there are only some passing mentions of him elsewhere., , , I also found out this interview of his son, but Google thought it is Portuguese so I could not translate him. There is also this web source that looks like it is about the correct person. Ceosad (talk) 17:23, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Here is another paper that cites him on the Jajanati movement, but this time it does not give any details. Ceosad (talk) 17:51, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  18:30, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Copyright violations should be fixed by editing not deletion. The article needs to be trimmed, but the subject is notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:47, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Looks like a copyvio, and completely unencyclopedic. Doesn't pass WP:GNG and even if they did, I think a TNT would be the only way to make this article okay. Joseph2302 (talk) 00:44, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: Cleanup is not a reason for deletion by itself. It is a CoI case for sure though. Ceosad (talk) 08:18, 30 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep: I finally made my mind about this article. It must be trimmed to get rid of the potential copyvios. Perhaps some of the sources I found would be enough to write a very basic stub at least? The book would be good source, but we do not have a copy of it, and it is endorsed by the Magar association so it can be assumed that it is somewhat reliable. Perhaps it could be moved to a further reading section until somebody (hopefully) obtains it. Ceosad (talk) 08:18, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Stub to match source and address copyright consensus, move to Jaya Bahadur Hitan Magar since the source in the article lists his name as that, and allow the article to be relisted at AfD under the correct name. I did a search and could not find any information on Jaybahadur Hitan Magar. -- Jreferee (talk) 14:25, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: I am not sure about the move, but I will not oppose it. I think I have seen both forms of the name. Sadly I have forgotten the exact Nepali forms I used, as some time has passed since I was googling his name a lot. I still wonder if the word "Magar" even is a part of the name, as it refers to the ethnicity. Ceosad (talk) 16:54, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, clpo13(talk) 09:59, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
 * keep, although the article suffers some WP:COI issues and needs clean-up (but AfD is not the venue to raise clean-up issues), the subject appears sufficiently notable: see media coverage http://nepalisamachar.com/?p=8387, http://www.everesttimes.net/article.php?type=article&aid=7790 , http://www.rajdhani.com.np/article/0191862001418700316 , http://www.rajyasatta.com/interview/6376-2014-03-08-20-14-53 --Soman (talk) 10:50, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Use the link, luke. This is not the copyvio you're looking for.  I'm pretty sure this is a translation of  .  The English auto-translation is pretty rough, but you can pick out a few proper nouns here and there, and of course the photo.  There may be all sorts of editorial problems that require cleaning up (and maybe even deletion for reasons that apply on en but may not on ne), but at least on it's face it's not a copyvio.  Interwiki link screenshot.png.  -- RoySmith (talk) 03:23, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually, I should amend that. It's entirely possible that the nepali source page is itself a copyvio of something.  I would  be looking for somebody who is a native speaker of Nepali to help sort this out.  -- RoySmith (talk) 03:32, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, upon further investigation, the en version that we're talking about here was created on 13 December 2015. The ne version on 16 December (click here for the article history, then get chrome or whatever to translate it).  So, if anything, the ne version was copied from us.  I'm really in a dilemma here.  On the one hand, we know that our coverage suffers from systemic bias which selects against non-anglo-european topics, and non-english sources.  Deleting this might just be an example of that bias.  On the other hand, what he have here passes the duck test for a copyvio and/or promotional article.  It's almost completely unsourced.  The one source given in the notes is  which is described as Collected writings of a political and social activist; chiefly on the post-1990 political and social conditions of Nepal..  Something described as collected writings doesn't sound like it would meet our criteria for a reliable, independent, source.  In any case, it's a pretty obscure source; the library of congress is the only catalog I can find that has it.  After all this, I think I'm going to have to go with a delete recommendation, or at least radical surgery to cut this back to a stub if no better sources can be found.  -- RoySmith (talk) 20:20, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * you are often able to find sources when nobody else can. Perhaps you can help here?  -- RoySmith (talk) 20:24, 9 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep, the article has many issues. It requires significant copy-editing, however my gut instinct is that the article is probably noteworthy. I'm not sure copyvio applies to translations? Unfortunately, as has already been mentioned we really need a Nepalese person to assist here. Failing that, it should be shortened into a stub. Aeonx (talk) 12:58, 9 January 2016 (UTC)


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