Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jayden Jaymes


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Statements that the topic meets inclusion criteria are countered by statements that the criteria are not met. On looking at the criteria against the points raised, it is clear that the delete arguments are well founded and based on detailed analysis, while the keep statements are mainly assertions, not based a detailed reading of the guidelines. The awards the topic has received are not significant, and there are not enough independent reliable sources discussing the topic in depth to meet Wikipedia's general inclusion criteria.  SilkTork  ✔Tea time  16:21, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Jayden Jaymes

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Jayden Jaymes fails WP:Pornbio. Her AVN awards were in bogus categories. She has no mainstream popularity (appearing on MTV is not enough). She has no major contributions to pornography. Redban (talk) 22:13, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep. She passes WP:PORNBIO because she has won a well-known and significant industry award; AVN's Best Body fan award in 2014, and she has been featured multiple times in notable mainstream media; she has a lot more than just an MTV appearance. Winning two fan voted awards over a period of five years is evidence that she also passes WP:ENTERTAINER's criteria #2 which states "Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following". Rebecca1990 (talk) 08:50, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that Fan-Awards is enough; it simply shows that many people went online and clicked on her name. It's akin to citing google search totals. She also fails WP:GNG. The sources on her page are iafd, imdb, jaydenjaymesxxx, fameawards, AVN, XBiz, and Fameawards, all of which are not independent. The one reliable, secondary, independent source would be Jezebel.com, and this article focuses on Jayden's performance in MTV:True Life, not her pornography career. Redban (talk) 18:43, 10 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment - All the current IMDB citations in this article here prove is that she was in a few, mostly minor, mainstream media appearances, although she was indeed featured in the MTV True Life TV episode that she was in. All of the citations to some of her apparent, past blog posts are currently dead, and the info that they supposedly cite doesn't really add any notability to her anyways. The real relevant standard for sources here is that they are independent of the subject of the article, which here is Jayden James, not the industry that a subject happens to appear mostly or partially in. Guy1890 (talk) 06:48, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep: As said by others: as she has won several AVN awards, she passes WP:PORNBIO. -- fdewaele, 11 December 2014, 19:00 CET
 * Keep per everyone above - passes WP:PORNBIO + WP:GNG. – Davey 2010 •  (talk)  17:35, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - win, so meets the requirements. Subtropical -man   talk   (en-2)   21:04, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment This was originally closed as a clear Keep by myself, however, the NAC closure was contested as "too early". I've reverted myself and this AfD is again open for discussion. Dusti*Let's talk!* 22:09, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. There's a lot of heat generated over other behavior by the nominator, but that shouldn't obscure the subject's failure to satisfy PORNBIO or the SNG. As WP:KEEP states, "questionable motivations on the part of the nominator do not have a direct bearing on the validity of the nomination"; some of the boilerplate keep! votes reflect anger at the nominator's action more than the pertinent notability guidelines. At least one, probably more, are based on the mistaken belief that scene awards count toward notability.


 * She's actually most notorious for the slightly creepy fact that she took her porn name from Britney Spears' younger son, who had just been born shortly before the subject began working in porn.


 * James fails PORNBIO #1. NightMoves awards don't count, scene awards don't count, and body/body parts awards have been regularly rejected in past discussions, whatever the awarding organization. "AVN Fan Awards" are not AVN Awards, but a website poll created just last year which have not been shown to be well-known or significant. For example, "AVN Award" gets nearly 600 GBooks hits. while "AVN Fan Award" gets only 2. There is no claim she meets PORNBIO 2. She fails PORNBIO 3, with no more than a brief appearance in a single episode of an MTV series; her movie credits consist of no more than unbilled roles as unnamed generic characters "victim", "stripper", "hot tub girl". She fails the GNG, with no independent sourcing beyond passing mentions, credit lists, directories, and nomination/award announcements. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 01:45, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Walton (talk) 17:09, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. My vote has absolutely nothing to do with Redban's behavior, I voted "keep" because Jaymes passes WP:PORNBIO. There is no consensus to exclude body awards or AVN's fan awards from PORNBIO. HW often claims in porn biography AfD's that an award has been "regularly rejected in past discussions" without providing a single AfD discussion resulting in "delete" as evidence for his claims. And don't try to degrade the value of the AVN Award's fan voted categories by claiming that they aren't real AVN Awards, because they clearly are real AVN Awards. Also, AVN added fan voted categories to their awards ceremony in 2011, not last year, meaning that the upcoming AVN Awards ceremony will be it's fifth year. Here's a Las Vegas Sun article covering the 2013 AVN Awards ceremony. That article mentions that there were 144 AVN awards given out that night, but only specifies the winners of a few categories, among them are Riley Steele's wins for Favorite Porn Star and Favorite Body (the same award Jaymes won), which are AVN fan awards. And that Las Vegas Sun article isn't just mentioning random awards. They only mentioned winners for some of the biggest categories like the male and female Performer of the Year winners and the Best Celebrity Sex Tape win for Octomom. LA Weekly also views April O'Neil's AVN fan award win as worthy of notice. Rebecca1990 (talk) 19:11, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete in all orifices. Article has 28 refs, but the large majority of them are smut-trackers, with the few remaining being blogs (including the one piggybacking off LA Weekly). Therefore, article solidly fails WP:PORNBIO's third requirement: "Has been featured multiple times in notable mainstream media." XBIZ and Peeperz are not "notable mainstream media".--Раціональне анархіст (talk) 21:55, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
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