Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jaymes Thorp (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Numerically, the keep and delete !votes are equal (counting the original PROD as a !vote in favor of deletion) but the arguments are in favor of deletion. Although this individual would be notable per WP:MUSICBIO #4 and #6 if the claims in the article were true (as argued in favor of keeping), the article completely lacks any reliable sources to verify those claims which has been correctly cited as a reason to delete the article. The !votes in favor of deletion correctly point this out and that per WP:V an article cannot be kept solely on the claim of notability. Regards  So Why  10:19, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Jaymes Thorp
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Article was PRODded as non-notable. Through the (incorrect) use of a hangon, this was effectively contested, so I'm bringing it to AfD for consideration. Ged UK  08:05, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I am torn between whether or not to allow it. I believe that it could be contested either way.  It does have 57,300 hits on Google, which makes me think that it could very well be notable.  It does have several reliable sources, and it does have references, so I am inclined to say Weak keep at this point in time. Razorflame 09:04, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * And what reliable sources would they be? I certainly can't see any in the article or in the search results linked above. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:18, 1 November 2009 (UTC)


 * weak delete I didn't spend the time I normally do looking for sources, but a quick look turned up nothing. Sources in the article don't look good... Hobit (talk) 05:25, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Rupert Young - I have seen the current banner which has been displayed at the top of my article. I am of the understanding that references made in the article need to be clearly sourced. I am able to go through the article and create a stronger bibliography. Jaymes Thorp has been around on the internet for the past 6 years now and has generated a lot of media interest. I therefore felt a wiki page was necessary. Including this, he is also hosted on iTunes, HMV Stores in the UK and other downloading websites. His final album "The Best Of Jaymes Thorp" will be on Spotify in December 2009. I shall also reference, his myspace page, facebook group and youtube channel. I have tried best to report information back to the sources which I have located myself. As you previously said Jaymes Thorp is a major google and youtube hit. With many videos relating to Jaymes Thorp from Fans. I do believe Jaymes Thorp (a client of ours) deserves a location on the internet where true and just facts can be hosted. Numerous websites are hosting illegitimate information about Jaymes Thorp including a recent "death" notice which are simply untrue and therefore a wiki page seemed the logical solution to keeping his name and status in tack. (User Habbohotel1974, 12:59am 3rd November 2009)
 * Generated a lot of media interest. What we need is the references to this media interest. Youtube, myspace, facebook are self-promotion, not an indication of notability. (Copied to discussion page from talk page.) Ged UK  08:23, 4 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete as nominated. Crafty (talk) 08:33, 4 November 2009 (UTC)


 * weak keep This is proving quite difficult in keeping an article I believe should remain. I do not know how to source google hits but 54,000 is a considerable about. The tag JAYMES THORP is a copyright name under Avalanche Records. If the powers of Wikipedia do not think that this public figure should have an article on their website, then that should be respected. I respect what ever outcome the judges of these procedures endure. Please do bare in mind this figure has released two albums that have made chart recognition in a list of countries. People do search for this person. People do buy and listen to this person. Also his Jaymes Thorp's third and final album is released this December in the shops. And is already appearing on internet stores for download: http://www.emusic.com/album/Jaymes-Thorp-The-Best-Of-Jaymes-Thorp-MP3-Download/11692208.html If you decided that this article should not be hosted. I respect your decision. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.232.40 (talk) 23:34, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.