Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jazz and Dave


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was delete. I've disregarded duplicate votes, anonymous users, sockpuppet accounts, and all combinations thereof, so bahhh! &mdash;  F REAK OF N URxTURE  ( [ TALK ] )  02:07, Jan. 29, 2006

Jazz and Dave
Non-notable page about a pub crawl. --Whouk (talk) 13:46, 23 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Follow up: This pub crawl is extremely popular in Cambridge and is not simply present in one instance. Therefore it cannot be defined as "non-notable". Any suggestions on how to improve the quality of the page in question for it to remain on the website would be helpful. --Dav_H (talk) 14:02, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * delete Pub crawls are inherently non-encyclopedic. BadSeed 14:16, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not for things made up in school one day - even Cambridge. Robin Johnson 14:19, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete I'm not even convinced the article takes itself seriously. James084 14:29, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep First of all, BadSeed, Surely the definition of encyclopedia ("A comprehensive reference work containing articles on a wide range of subjects or on numerous aspects of a particular field, usually arranged alphabetically.") entirely disproves your notion that pub crawls are "inherently non-encyclopedic". The phrase "wide range of subjects" surely encompasses that of pub-crawling which isn't exactly unknown of in the wider community! Robin Johnson I'm sad to inform you that you are entirely incorrect in your presumption that this article was made by schoolboys. It was made by a bunch of Cambridge students; who believe it definitely has a right to be publicised as it is simply renowned in Cambridge. As for James084; try and make a cogent point next time. I hope you take this information into account when choosing whether it should be deleted. It definitely doesn't in my opinion as it is, by any standards, a "notable" (as you put it) piece of information. Dav_H 15:10, 23 January 2006
 * Comment Concerning your definiton of an encyclopedia, see WP:NOT. Interestingly the article claims the pub crawl was Devised by idealists James Welland and David Holding... in this case Cambridge students are no better than school boys. --BadSeed 15:26, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-notable. Google hits? 362. Number that refer to a pub crawl? 0. Nothing renown about that. Ifnord 15:17, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Please look carefully at history before voting, multiple vandalisms in progress. Ifnord 15:25, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete blatently non-notable. Tsk. Students. Coyote-37 15:51, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep i will be sad to see the page go, but no hard feelings. If you would like to join a Jazz and Dave pub crawl for a taster of the experience, feel free to join us on the 7th February at The Maypole 7pm. I hope you all can join the group. I have been dismayed to find rumours of a hoax. This is not part of the idealistic spirit purported by Jazz and Dave. I bid you adieu.Dav_H 16:14, 23 January 2006
 * Comment added by User:212.44.18.150, who'd previously vandalised this page --BadSeed 16:21, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The article describes a pub crawl made up by two students one day. Wikipedia is not for things made up in school one day. The article cites no sources where this pub crawl is documented outside of Wikipedia, and neither Ifnord nor I have been able to find any sources.  It is very likely that Dav_H, the creator of the article, is the "David Holding" mentioned in the article as the inventor of the pub crawl.  There is no evidence that this pub crawl has been acknowledge by anyone other than its creators and accepted into the corpus of human knowledge, and its creators are clearly documenting it directly here in Wikipedia.  This is a mis-use of Wikipedia as a publisher of first instance.  The article is both unverifiable and original research.  The place for this is the author's own web site. Delete. Uncle G 16:35, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete I'd put my reasons but Uncle G summed it up so eloquently, also I would like to add if you wiki pub crawl you get information on not only pub crawling itself but some of the more famous ones. If pub crawls are inherently non-encyclopedic then one has to question why this is on wiki. Though I do agree that this one should be deleted due to lack of sources amongst other things. --ImmortalGoddezz 18:06, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. per Uncle G. Crunch 18:47, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per Uncle G. - Wikipedia is not for things made up in school one day -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 20:41, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, pub crawls are not notable. User:Zoe|(talk) 23:12, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Per nom. Sorry guys, we can't help rewrite to make it a keep - it is the entry that is a problem not the write up.Obina 23:40, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * KeepI'm from Saffron Walden outside fairly close to Cambridge but we have the themed pub crawl out here. It may not be notable in other places, but in the East and Cambridgeshire it's legendary. Duck123 09.29 24 January 2006
 * Comment: User's first edit. --Whouk (talk) 09:50, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep This page is hilarious. I'm a student in London and this is one of the freshest ideas of a pub crawl I've heard. Sure it isn't notable, but I know I'm gonna try this pub crawl out ASAP. Sorpor 9:40 24 January 2006
 * Comment: User's first edit. --Whouk (talk) 09:50, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep I haven't signed up as a user on wikipedia, but is this article really going to do any harm to anyone by keeping it? This whole argument just seems childish to me! However it is hilarious to see people wasting their time arguing over this irrelevant matter! Oh and there are loads of other pub crawl wikipedia entries - just look at Pub_crawl and there's loads under there! Antonin Lauderau.
 * Keep I am a student from cambridge and i have heard of the Jazz and Dave pub crawl. This crawl is in its early stages, but is quickly growing in success. The article is hilarious and what more could we want from a pub crawl.
 * Keep Jazz and Dave have been rapidly growing in popularity throughout both Cambridge and the surrounding villages. This crawl has become one of Cambridge's weekly highlights and as such deserves a place in such a distinguished body of information.
 * Comment - all of the last three unsigned Keeps came from the same IP address. --Whouk (talk) 11:52, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - appears to be an in-joke from Cambridge University students. My family lives in Cambridge and aren't familiar with it. Essexmutant 12:01, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep (attack on Whouk removed Obina 00:24, 25 January 2006 (UTC) did edit not voted keep) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.44.18.150 (talk • contribs)
 * Keep I feel that this is a well structured, positive entry into a widespread and very helpful online reference point. If we restrict what can be added to this open source website who knows the consequences? Knowledge is power and blocking the window to enlightenment is a heinous crime that will result in the degradation of our society. I'm from peterborough, near cambridge and if you stand still at night, on the south-east tower in a full moons epox you can hear the faint sounds of "dave, you rule, man" "awww, sungjae" "bu, dont forget this time ok" "hit the road jazz" "ln1??" and other such beejees hits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.78.229.7 (talk • contribs)
 * Comment: Having seen your obvious desire to keep this section up and running I must admit I have changed my mind, shaved and got a job, albeit in my mothers profession. The nights are long but it's worth it in the end. 19:52, 24 January 2006 (UTC) -- Whouk (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.78.229.7 (talk • contribs)
 * Yeah, that wasn't me. Sigh. Still, if anyone wants to rename this Whoukipedia, I ain't gonna complain :-) --Whouk (talk) 21:42, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Good call Whouk, good call. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.120.56.33 (talk • contribs)
 * Comment Chin Up, Whouk. (Some attacks removed).  Sockpuppets keeps left.Obina 00:24, 25 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep I think this should be kept, it seems like a sound article to me. 81.103.22.100 08:23, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * You know where I standEssexmutant, I would love it for you to join the group on Friday the 10th February at 7pm (posted wrong day by accident back there). We will be in the Maypole around that time and would enjoy your company. Their truely will be Cadbury's Creme eggs up for grabs, so if you won't stay for the crawl, at least stay for an egg, on us. That goes for everyone else on this page. Look forward to seeing you there. Dav H 20:31, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep I say we keep this mofo of an artical. What harm does it do, its poinless arguing about this when we can argue about more relevant problems around the world, HIV and Wars for instance. I say come down to Cambridge, yeah that's to Whouk, Badseed and all your buddies, to get a taste of the best darn pub crawl that you're ever gonna have. That's assuming your all old enough to drink or leave your Mothers' houses and get back by curfew. &mdash;the preceding unsigned comment is by 81.96.66.135 (talk &bull; contribs) 16:23, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment The above is the user's first edit. Also, I'd like to take a moment and note my gratitute for the closing admin who'll voluntarily sort through and discard the anon meatpuppets to find the true consensus of the community -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 07:08, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep The external source is up and running:www.freepgs.com/jazzanddave. Feel free to sign-up. A newsletter will hopefully soon be in place Dav H 12:20, 26 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.