Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ještě máme co jsme chtěli


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Miloslav Švandrlík.  Sandstein  12:48, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Ještě máme co jsme chtěli

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At first I thought it was borderline, but it almost looks like a hoax. The article discusses primarily not this book, but other works of the author. It does not cite any reviews, nor can I find any (through sources would be in Czech in which I am not fluent). Czech page about the author cs:Miloslav Švandrlík does not seem to mention this book. In the AGF spirit towards the creator, I am not calling it a hoax, but as written, it clearly fails Notability (books). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 15:57, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:36, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Czech Republic-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:36, 21 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment It isn't hoax but I don't think the book is equally "famous" or notable as Švandrlík's masterpiece, the novel Black Barons. I would say that there must be reviews of the book from the pre-Internet era (it was published in 1991), but I can't find any. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 12:06, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Mr.Konieczny, let me assure you that the article discusses the book and the book only as the work is almost autobiography by author as clearly stated right at the end (The author writes about him self under pseudonym Roman Kefalin). Every single word stated in the article is in the book and is about Roman Kefalin the main protagonist. The article lists a number of works which are of similar character but not a single one is mentioned by a single word anywhere in the article! How would you judge to the extent of the book beyond Notability (books) withouth any knowledge about the topic is mystery to me. Conclusions and points you've made about the content of the book are I am sorry to inform you, missinterpreted. As the points you've made above are invalid, I am sorry but I am unable to respond appropriately. But if you are not fluent in Czech language you will be happy to know that English page about author en:Miloslav Švandrlík does mention the book. And I will try and clarify any further details as soon as possible.

Mr. Vejvančický already provided the link to the book (Thank you), but to clarify sheer facts about the book:

Titul: Ještě máme co jsme chtěli Autor: Miloslav Švandrlík Vydano: Nakladatelstvi Alexandra Tomskeho Rozmluvy Praha 2, Vinohradska 28, v roce 1991 Ilustroval Jiri Winter 200 stran, 36 obrazku Sazba Typograficke pocitacove studio AMOS Praha 1, Krakovska 8 Publikace c.8 Vytisly Tiskarny Vimperk s.p. ISBN 80-85336-03-0

Title: Ještě máme co jsme chtěli Author: Miloslav Švandrlík Published: Nakladatelstvi Alexandra Tomskeho Rozmluvy Praha 2, Vinohradska 28, v roce 1991 Ilustrated Jiri Winter 200 pages, 36 pictures Sazba Typograficke pocitacove studio AMOS Praha 1, Krakovska 8 Publication no.8 Printed by Tiskarny Vimperk s.p. ISBN 80-85336-03-0

Thank you for your comments gentlements, I shall look into it as soon as possible. Meanwhile, any suggestions which can help the cause and wikipedia are more than welcomed. (Petr Talasek (talk) 23:00, 22 January 2017 (UTC))


 * Comment - this is certainly a real book. The plot explains that the book is about the writing of another book, Black Barons. This might be the root of the nom's confusion. I've just copy-edited the article and given it a general clean-up. It probably fails Notability (books) unless the author is especially important in and of himself. Not sure he is, but that's the only criteria it might pass on — Iadmc  ♫ talk  13:38, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The author is undoubtedly notable but he was quite a prolific writer and not all of his works deserve stand alone articles, such as Black Barons. The question is whether we can find reviews and sources proving that Ještě máme co jsme chtěli is a notable novel. If not, I'd suggest to delete the article, as redirect to the list of works by Švandrlík without any further context would make little sense. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 10:22, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, that coupled with the unclear initial draft, would explain my confusion. If the book fails notability (and nothing so far hasbeen suggested it doesn't, i.e. no reviews, rewards, etc.) at least now we have a good target for merger, i.e.  Black Barons (book). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  19:44, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, merger into Black Barons (book) might make sense: Ještě máme co jsme chtěli is after all about the writing of Black Barons — Iadmc  ♫ talk  09:59, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I have no objection, it looks like a sensible and constructive solution. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 15:08, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 00:47, 28 January 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * merge with the author page -- seems an obvious solution to me.  DGG ( talk ) 04:38, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 00:12, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge to Miloslav Švandrlík, the author. Considered Black Barons too, but the title isn't even mentioned at that page. C679 15:28, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


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