Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jealous Ones Still Envy 2 (J.O.S.E. 2)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to Fat Joe.  MBisanz  talk 01:48, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Jealous Ones Still Envy 2 (J.O.S.E. 2)

 * ( [ delete] ) – (View AfD) (View log)

Fails notability guideline for music because it merely repeats promotion from the rapper's own website. There are no secondary sources available at this time. Thus, this might be mere speculation, since there are no sources that directly confirm the claims made in this article. Andrewlp1991 (talk) 02:41, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

https://www.shopemi.com/album_page.asp?artist_id=4472 (The Canadian company that distributes Fat Joe's music in Canada) I would like to know why he would have a video shoot for a song if he doesn't have an album coming out. If you even listen to music, you'd know that they always have a video shoot for a song if it will be on an album. And if the album name is wrong (ALTHOUGH Fat Joe said it himself), that's an easy change. So Keep the page. Y5nthon5a (talk) 03:45, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you see the youtube video where Fat Joe himself talks about the album? Also, take a look at this link:


 * So far Fat Joe's own announcements have been the only sources. Wikipedia's notability guideline recommends that future albums can have articles only when there are multiple reliable sources that verify the release. Or maybe I'm mistaken? Are the artist's own announcements on his own webpages enough? --Andrewlp1991 (talk) 05:30, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I do think it is enough. MySpaces aren't only ran by the artists, they are ran by the labels as well. Also, I showed you the Canadian company that distribute's his music in Canada, which is another source. And hip hop artists usually announce their future albums, not the labels. If you gave me a couple weeks, I could even find more references.Y5nthon5a (talk) 11:58, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete and userfy if Y5nthon5a is interested in having it. We need reliable sources independent of the subject to show notability; the problem here his that the sources are either unreliable or not independent, and this is exactly the type of scenario that WP:CRYSTAL was intended to address. When sources appear, the article can be undeleted/moved from user space. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  16:17, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That's fine. I had to do that last time with We Global. Y5nthon5a (talk) 03:59, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: WP:CRYSTAL notability not established. JamesBurns (talk) 06:26, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

http://www.examiner.com/p-306557~Fat_Joe_Readies_New_Album__Jealous_Ones_Still_Envy_2_Out_April_7.html http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhf0ss6MHq8505JTtD
 * Keep: You want references?

As I said, wait for more references to come. Y5nthon5a (talk) 21:10, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge into the main Fat Joe article until more sources/tracks/etc. come out. For now that's the most practical option given that it's at least somehow verifiable. --Andrewlp1991 (talk) 18:34, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * As I said, if anything happens, make it a subpage of mine. Y5nthon5a (talk) 19:10, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.