Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jean-François Lénogue


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The result was delete. Michig (talk) 09:28, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Jean-François Lénogue

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Fails WP:NMMA JadeSnake (talk) 07:42, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Strikeout added because JadeSnake was a confirmed sockpuppet of an already banned user.

*Comment - How notable of an actor or stuntman is he? JadeSnake (talk) 23:53, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - is also a film actor and stuntman, MMA not sole basis for notability, fights for 1st and 2nd tier promotions. Sepulwiki (talk) 07:46, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - He without a doubt passes WP:GNG and WP:V. He is very close to passing WP:NMMA. There is probably more general notability guidelines he passes due to his acting and stunt performing in movies that have been big in the box office. He may not pass WP:NMMA but passes other guidelines because of the movies he has been in. MMA is not the sole basis of notability and alot of users debating fail to say that. Your arguement would be like saying Jet Li's article should be deleted because his martial arts accomplishments do not pass WP:NMMA. Sepulwiki (talk) 23:56, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep based on the combination of two top-tier fights and his acting/stuntman career. Luchuslu (talk) 01:15, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete Fails WP:NMMA and his acting career doesn't meet WP:ENT--not with roles such as guard, zombie, thug, boxer, etc. I don't see "significant roles in multiple notable films". Jakejr (talk) 03:40, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment His small roles and stunt coordination in box office hits in combination with his MMA fights warrants him an article. To think otherwise would be questionable. Sepulwiki (talk)


 * Delete Fails WP:NMMA as he hasn't had one professional fight for a top tier organization, little alone the three necessary to qualify under NMMA. Clearly fails WP:ENT as stunt men don't qualify and acting parts are even less than bit-part.  So, for WP:GNG... can't find anything beyond the standard MMA stat sites.  Bgwhite (talk) 06:08, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment PRIDE and Shooto are both top tier promotions, did you even read the article? stunt performing doesnt fall under WP:ENT. And as far as WP:GNG, his IMDB profile was the third that popped up in my search engine. Do you even know what your talking about Bgwhite?
 * Comment Please, do not belittle other editors. Keep it civil.  Shooto fight was done as an amateur fight.  IMDb is considered an unreliable reference and not eligible to be used under WP:GNG.  It is unreliable as anybody can edit it.  The same goes for Wikipedia refs. Bgwhite (talk) 18:05, 7 January 2013 (UTC)


 * No BGwhite is correct to disregard that trash essay on notability. Leave it up to the individual to determine what is notable and what is not since WP:MMATIER is just an essay not a guideline like WP:GNG. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 11:03, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * He is not disqualifying the essay. One of his Shooto bouts was really amateur (just check his record on Sherdog) and the other isn't considered top-tier at the current state of WP:MMATIER. The WP:NMMA guideline points directly to the essay, so it should be considered.  Poison  Whiskey  14:28, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Unless its a Shooto fight with Anderson Silva or Hayato Sakurai then I generally disregard shooto. Seems bgwhite disregarded it too. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 09:39, 11 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment Being curious as to why you say his 14th pro fight under the Shooto banner is amatuer is not the same as belittling, do not twist and contort my comment Bgwhite.
 * Comment Profiles on both ESPN and The New York Times here 1, here 2
 * Delete He doesn't meet WP:NMMA. I can't dispute he's been in movies, which is all the sources support.  The point is he's had very minor roles.  I don't see notability for bit parts. Mdtemp (talk) 17:01, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete — Has fought for some notable organizations and fought many notable opponents, but he fails WP:NMMA and the article also seems to fail WP:GNG.  Poison  Whiskey  14:19, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:NMMA and I don't see how his stuntman/movie career meets any notability criteria. The article also needs better sources since the only two sources mentioned are his fight record at sherdog and IMDB (not RS). Papaursa (talk) 05:19, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
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