Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jean Ballestra


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. -- DQ  (t)   (e)  05:33, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Jean Ballestra

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No indications that this person meets the criteria for inclusion. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 02:55, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete on the grounds that it is an unimproved electronic translation of part of the French WP article. "Wikipedia consensus is that an unedited machine translation, left as a Wikipedia article, is worse than nothing." asnac (talk) 05:42, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
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 * Keep. I've edited the article and added one reference. I couldn't find more references online to confirm the claims included in the French article, so from what isn't sourced I only left what I felt was mostly uncontroversial (such as his early years and the grave details). I'm guessing there's gotta be offline sources to expand it, but until then I think it is at least presentable - frankie (talk) 08:15, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Thanks Frankie, your improvements remove my objection. asnac (talk) 10:06, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment The improvements made do in fact verify that Ballestra was a member of the French Resistance, but they do nothing to assert his individual notability. It does not mention that he did anything especially heroic to raise him above the level of the rest of the resistance fighters.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:55, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not one to judge if his actions were particularly heroic or not, but both the commemorative plaque and the grave marking specifically regard him as a hero, so that should be enough to meet WP:ANYBIO #1 - frankie (talk) 20:01, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * If you read the article on the Souvenir Français, they mark any grave of a fallen soldier with such a marker. This does not appear to be a unique memorial to this particular person.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:47, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't speak French, but the plaque goes somewhere along the lines of Here fell mortally wounded by the bullets of Hitler ... [the names] ... heroes of the resistance, gloriously died so that France can live. Homage of the inhabitants of the level crossing neighborhood. While looking for references I've found notes about events to commemorate the date, which of course included his name along with the other resistance fighters. This isn't fancruft or spam, and as a biography it falls perfectly within the scope of the project - frankie (talk) 20:04, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
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 * No, I don't believe that it is either fancruft or spam, but I do believe that it does not meet the relevant criteria for inclusion, which for such an article would be evidence of significant coverage in any independent document. What we appear to have in this case is a person who is one among thousands (perhaps tens or hundreds of thousands) who has been memorialized for heroism in the French Resistance.  Noble?  Yes.  Notable?  Not that I can see. My own home town on Long Island has memorialized the names of individuals who died in the September 11 attacks.  These memorials do not render each individual victim of that attack notable any more than those French memorials render their honorees notable.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:25, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:13, 23 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete fails WP:RS, alas. Stuartyeates (talk) 05:18, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.