Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jean Carmen


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The result was   keep.  Singu larity  03:55, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Jean Carmen

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Delete unsourced one-line bio: she won an awared signifying that the was at the threshold of stardom, but alas never crossed that threshold apparently. No other claim to notability is asserted. She's so, nn we don't know when or where she was born, or even whether she's still alive ... Red flags of non-notability in a modern bio. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:59, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. I'm getting a bit tired of all of this nominator's AfDs claiming that lack of birth date/place is evidence of non-notability. What evidence do you have that articles created without these details are on less notable subjects than articles with them? My experience is that these details actually appear more often in vanity articles than in ones about subjects who are notable for other things than when and where they were born. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:51, 28 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep - Poor stub, yes, but we shouldn't mistake a poor stub for a poor subject. Jean Carmen appeared in at least 20 films according to IMDB and many of them were leading roles.  Her birth and death dates and places can easily be found with a quick Google, as can many other details. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 19:35, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, Google Books results show sufficient sources for an article. Lead in several B-movies and a serial. (Also a minor appearance in the serial drama known as Marilyn Monroe.) --Dhartung | Talk 19:50, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep – More than enough third party news sources to establish notability, as shown here . ShoesssS Talk 20:02, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per Dhartung, hopefully this can be improved using the WP:HEY method.  coccyx bloccyx  (toccyx)  20:45, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Marginal keep. The movies are pretty obscure, but the serial and Broadway plays make her notable enough for me. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:53, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and actresses-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  16:41, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Week keep I believe there is barely enough information and references to hold up the article. -- LAA Fan  22:33, 28 May 2008 (UTC)


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