Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jean de Mailly


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete all. Jayjg (talk) 01:47, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Jean de Mailly

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Also nominating: Note: This article is now being redirected to
 * Jean D'Mailly
 * Peter D'Mailly,Barn Conti
 * Madeleine de Maillé

Nobility is not notability. Notability is not inherited. No references. Reywas92 Talk 18:50, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. Nobility sometimes makes one notable as a member of a national parliament. An English baron from that period would be automatically notable as a member of the House of Lords. Did being baron de Conti automatically make him a member of France's Parliament? - Eastmain (talk) 21:40, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Then the notability is from the membership, not the nobility. Don't ask me; the article doesn't say. No notability is established. Reywas92 Talk 23:12, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No, being a baron in France did not automatically make him a parlementaire héréditaire, a privilege only accorded to those who were recognized by the Crown as hereditary members of the Parlement de Paris -- most, but not all, dukes. But that can't be the criterion since it is entirely Brit-centric: the Maillys were influential and well-known nobles in French history without being peers, the individuals' notability deriving substantially from their membership in that prominent family. Rather, this article and its relatives deserves to be deleted because it is vandalism by virtue of being mostly fabrication: "Jean V de Mailly" died young and childless. The references to his spouse and descendants, e.g. 'Marquisa Renee Delapommellaire, Louis Wallerund du Bois, Jacquin d'Neville, Peter de Mailly, Casper Mabille', etc are fictitious -- and where they are not fake, most of the details given of their lives and filiations is fake. Like a proliferating class of Wiki articles, this one appears made up to support a fantasized noble origin for someone, whose surname is (I'll wager) "Mabee" or the like ("Mailly" presumably being the nearest-sounding name the vandal could discover to that of an aristocratic family). It should be deleted because it is largely bogus as well as non-notable (the subject having died too young to live up to his family's reputation -- for instance, by reproducing heirs who held the same high status at the French court), and without reference to the debatable claim that "Notability is not inherited" -- in which I cannot concur. FactStraight (talk) 01:54, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
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 * Comment Certainly seeing a lot at books, but some could be about different people than the subject of this article. Merits further research, but the article itself is not in great shape at the moment. Cirt (talk) 14:10, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fences  &amp;  Windows  22:24, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment 1)This individual was not notable, having died around 1528 at the age of 16. 2)The reference Dragoon1988 posted earlier stated that Jean d'Mailly died sans posterite(without issue), which he speedily deleted after I had pointed out it contradicts the fictional history he is creating. Peter d'Mailly, another article without ANY references, is most likely a fake individual considering that Jean d'Mailly had NO children AND the House of Bourbon-Conde was in possession of the title "Conti" through Eléanor de Roucy de Roye.
 * The bigger picture is Dragoon1988's attempt to invent a fictitious genealogy using a fake mistress of Louis XI,,, unsupported by any references.
 * Also please note that Demailly 1986 is most likely a sock of Dragoon1988, and is being used to create more fictitious genealogies. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:45, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Jean D'Mailly for now, but excise the hoax.
 * Delete Peter D'Mailly,Barn Conti as a hoax. Edward321 (talk) 14:29, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
 * DeleteMadeleine de Maillé as hoax, now that it's been added to the Afd. Edward321 (talk) 23:53, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Jean D'Mailly, died without issue and virtually nothing is written about him, except in fictional genealogies.
 * Delete Peter D'Mailly, most likely a fictional person that supposedly inherits a title from a person that had no children!
 * Delete Madeleine d'Maille, unless this article can be supported by reliable 3rd party sources, I see no reasonable notability. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:59, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete for spurious history.Red Hurley (talk) 21:44, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
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