Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeanne-Françoise de Coeme, Lady of Lucé and Bonnétable


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The result was keep. Consensus seems to be in favor of keep. Renaming etc. can be discussed outside AfD. Tone 16:00, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Jeanne-Françoise de Coeme, Lady of Lucé and Bonnétable

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Is a person who lived during the 16th century. But there is nothing notable about "her". She was a heiress and connected to royalty via marriage.Daiyusha (talk) 02:08, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
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 * Weak Keep. of historical interest. Xxanthippe (talk) 09:26, 21 February 2019 (UTC).
 * Delete notability isn't inherited, mother is clearly notable as the mistress of the French monarch. This person, no. WCM email 12:37, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete -- The rather non-notable daughter of a notable royal mistress. Her daughter also seems of rather imited notability, other than inherited from her husband.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:24, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment This is not an easy subject to research. Many older sources use the spelling "de Coesme(s)", and some use "de Coisme(s)" (eg ); some omit "de". During her 20-year marriage to François de Bourbon, she was known as the Princess of Conti (eg ) (also spelled Conty, eg in ), which of course was a title used by other women before and after her. The statement in the article that "Her mother required the intervention of the King and Pope Pius V to ensure that she regained the succession to her father's estate of Bonnétable." is not found within the single source cited, which suggests that other sources are available - but I haven't yet found any which refer to this. There may well be sources that are not online, or not fully viewable online - this source, from 1946, has results on 10 pages for "Jeanne de Coesmes", but snippets of only 3 are visible. This source from 1940, has 5 pages where her name appears (it discusses her letters), but again, snippets of only 3 are visible. This book, Henri IV , is the source for the French Wikipedia article , but there is no preview of the book online. Many sources do only provide genealogical information, but the 1940s sources do appear to have more coverage of her, and there may well be more about this 16th century noble/royal person, who was literate and the heiress to an estate. RebeccaGreen (talk) 16:05, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your good work . Hninthuzar (talk) 16:17, 22 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep per historical significance. Although, as per the comment above, finding sources is difficult, she is listed in a lot of geneological and academic works under various name spellings. She was not only a daughter of the French king's mistress, she was a Princess of the Blood via marriage, which makes her a high ranking member of the House of Bourbon. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 17:31, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per and  as historical interest and a member of the royal House of Bourbon. We have tended to keep royalty; she was a princess by marriage. Bearian (talk) 19:31, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep agree pr above, and IMO, she was a Princess of Conti by marriage, which makes her a high ranking member of the House of Bourbon. So, she was a member of the notable royal family, which meet GNG. Hninthuzar (talk) 11:32, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep I have added more of the resources that I found to the article. I believe there is evidence that she was notable at the time she lived (eg Nicolas de Montreux dedicated a novel to her), and historians have written about her since - not just about her ancestry, marriages and descendants, but about her as a letter-writer, and, I think (if we could see more of the sources), her role at court. RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:20, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment should the article be moved to Jeanne-Françoise de Coësme / Jeanne de Coësme in order to correct spelling of the name and do away with her birth titles in the title. She held multiple titles, so I feel it would be best to have her just by name. Thoughts? -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 15:48, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Reply Most sources don't use 'Françoise' in referring to her, and French Wikipedia uses 'Jeanne de Coesme' (without even mentioning variants of the surname). So 'Jeanne de Coesme' as the name of the article might make more sense. The Wikidata needs reconciling too - the English article links to one Q number, while the French and Italian articles link to a different Q number. (Not sure what that's actually called, but hopefully the meaning is clear!) RebeccaGreen (talk) 16:13, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Editors who are interested in this discussion for deletion may also be interested in this lady (became royal member by marriage). Sita Dev (talk) 02:47, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

on that point. Johnbod (talk) 21:46, 4 July 2018 (UTC)


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