Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeff Carter (infielder)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 04:29, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Jeff Carter (infielder)

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Non-notable minor league baseball figure. HE spent some years at AAA, but as far as I can tell he was never a phantom ballplayer. He has never held a big league job, so he fails WP:BASE/N. He won a Manager of the Year Award, but I don't know if winning that in such a low-level minor league is entirely notable. Alex (talk) 17:10, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep due to Manager of the Year award. Spanneraol (talk) 17:12, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete low-level minor leagues after more than a decade. I imagine most managers of league champion teams are named Manager of the Year so that doesn't impress me much.  If he won an award that signified he was a major factor in the organization, that would be another thing.  But then I suppose he wouldn't still be at the A and Rookie league levels if that were the case.  Wknight94 talk 17:26, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 15:49, 21 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep as being the Appalachian League Manager of the Year is sufficient to convey notability per policy, whether or not that achievement impresses any individual editor. - Dravecky (talk) 20:25, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Other winners of that prestigious award which are red links or make no mention of the award: Mike Shildt, Paul Runge, Rob Mummau, Ray Smith, Nick Leyva, Bruce Crabbe, Nick Capra, Steven Turco, Jorge Orta, Julio Cruz, John Gibbons, Joe Cunningham. Also, can someone explain how Carter and Bruce Crabbe both won that same award in the same year?  Wknight94 talk 22:11, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * According to Baseball Cube, Carter won it in 2000 and Crabbe in 1999. Spanneraol (talk) 22:51, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The woeful incompleteness of stubs like Ray Smith (baseball) have no bearing on the notability of this article. The point you raise should encourage motivated editors to expand the stubs to which you've linked, not delete this article. - Dravecky (talk) 17:42, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * But as I said at the AfD for Bruce Crabbe, Appalachian League MoY does not, in my view, make one notable on that basis alone. It can contribute to notability, but Carter and Crabbe don't have enough other details to establish notability. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:38, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * @Dravecky, my point is that the only point raised by Keep voters here and at Articles for deletion/Bruce Crabbe is that they won an award which was so obscure that the articles of most other winners make no mention of it. To me, that is quite telling.  Wknight94 talk 18:46, 23 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete non-notable minor league manager. No consensus that MoY awards at any level make one notable. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:38, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 00:37, 28 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep per Acheivments. – Phoenix B 1of3 (talk) 18:43, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Achievements that aren't notable? – Muboshgu (talk) 23:08, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note to closing admin The only reason for keeping provided is the same as used at Articles for deletion/Bruce Crabbe, which closed as delete. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:47, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.