Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeff Greenstein


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 05:25, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Jeff Greenstein

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No indication this individual meets WP:ANYBIO or WP:NCREATIVE John from Idegon (talk) 07:56, 27 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Incorrect.ANYBIO: "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times." Individual received 2000 Primetime Emmy Award, as well as multiple nominations.AUTHOR: "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work." Individual has written, produced and directed several acclaimed comedy series (Friends, Will & Grace, Desperate Housewives).Tagging this page for deletion is an act of vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:141C:C878:D02B:3CDD:6A4D:5EE2 (talk) 08:08, 27 January 2020 (UTC)  — Note to closing admin: 2605:E000:141C:C878:D02B:3CDD:6A4D:5EE2 (talk • contribs) appears to have a close connection with the subject of the article being discussed.
 * Please read the instructions prior to posting here. John from Idegon (talk) 08:39, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment In the IP identifies himself as Jeff Greenstein, the subject of the article in question. Meters (talk) 10:10, 27 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 09:07, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 09:07, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Georgia (U.S. state)-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 09:08, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. Appears notable. Jonathunder (talk) 1:43, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Why are we having this discussion? The guy wrote on 'Friends', ran 'Will and Grace' for years, and has become a skilled Director as well. 104.174.3.170 (talk) 21:47, 4 February 2020 (UTC) — 104.174.3.170 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep: Greenstein has received an Emmy Award, a clear ANYBIO keep. -- Toughpigs (talk) 09:32, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: Greenstein has been nominated for multiple Emmy, Producers Guild and Writers Guild awards. Has written, directed, and/or produced hundreds of hours of US network primetime tv. Satisfies both ANYBIO and Creative Professional guidelines. Wzzy (talk)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   18:42, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Definitely keep: this person is notable if only for his work on 'Friends', but has clearly done much more worthy of note2605:E000:60CD:3C00:18F3:AA29:B718:67BC (talk) 21:41, 4 February 2020 (UTC) — 2605:E000:60CD:3C00:18F3:AA29:B718:67BC (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep: He's a prolific writer, director and producer in Hollywood. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:D152:0:3500:FDA2:E65F:F963 (talk) 22:15, 4 February 2020 (UTC)  — 2604:2000:D152:0:3500:FDA2:E65F:F963 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep: Subject of article has a distinguished career as a writer-producer on two of the most popular comedy series of the past 30 years, and more. "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times." To wit, one Emmy award, 19 nominations; multiple Writers Guild, Producers Guild, and CableACE Awards nominations. Subject also appears to more than adequately fulfill WP:ANYBIO requrements. To target the article for deletion seems questionable at best, as the claim that the cited criteria are not met is clearly untrue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sazerac (talk • contribs) 22:28, 4 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep: There's no real argument to be made here of why this article should be deleted. Once it is backed up by more citations, of which it needs more and which I will presently go seek for it, it seems logical it be kept. The flag for deletion should be immediately removed, and the page preserved, in accordance with Wikipedia policies. PickleG13 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:13, 5 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep: Variety is an industry publication leader and has been following Greenstein’s career since at least 1999 (‘Friends’ Greenstein signs deal with NBC, Variety, Aug. 3, 1999). His work as a writer and producer on Friends is verifiable from show credit lists since its early years. All of which was the start of a career that moved to key positions on Will and Grace and beyond. For Grace, again, Variety, Jan 2, 2002, “NBC Ups ‘Grace’ Producer” confirmed an Emmy win and other nominations. A brief quote to confirm: “This is a key deal for us because there is nothing more important to NBC Studios than ‘Will & Grace,’ ” said NBC Studios prexy Ted Harbert. “Jeff’s proven showrunning ability assures that the show will remain a well-oiled comedy machine...” Greenstein won an Emmy in 2000 for his work as a producer on “Will & Grace.” He’s also snagged several Emmy-writing noms for “Will & Grace” and “Friends.”” If it’s strictly a question of cited sources then the page might benefit from further elaboration. It appears clear, however, that his significant impact on television began more than two decades ago and has only increased from there as the driving force behind a number of other series, as has been noted by other reviewers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:BC20:58F0:D5C4:A509:E4E1:179F (talk) 04:21, 5 February 2020 (UTC)  — 2600:1700:BC20:58F0:D5C4:A509:E4E1:179F (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.46.189.29 (talk) 05:49, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Very notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:740:8004:B2B0:F880:3434:9DC6:AAFE (talk) 14:06, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - Jeff is a prolific and successful hollywood writer, producer and director — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1012:B00D:9253:1D71:3A4B:D924:B66F (talk) 14:52, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.240.235.186 (talk) 16:57, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable and accomplished industry professional. His substantial credits and Emmy Award (!) attest to his position as a leading and notable figure in the entertainment industry.96.233.102.142 (talk) 15:44, 6 February 2020 (UTC) — 96.233.102.142 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep: Good sources, appears notable in the industry. Dflaw4 (talk) 02:43, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep per #2 on WP:SKCRIT. This is based on the series of edit warring behavior starting here.  Bait30   Talk? 05:42, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: This is the second time in the space of a week or so that this particular nominator has been involved in an editing war on the subject's page. See the AfD on Lesa Wilson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Lesa_Wilson). Dflaw4 (talk) 06:24, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The "Lesa Wilson" AfD was closed as "delete"; in fact, not a single person participating in that discussion seems to have !voted to keep the article. Are you suggesting that it be restored because the close was in error? If that's the case you can try WP:CLOSECHALLENGE or WP:DRV, but it seems to be have been a fairly strong consensus and a properly closed discussion. If your concerns, on the other hand, are related to other things, then this AfD might not really the right venue to discuss them. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:41, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Not at all, Marchjuly—in fact, I too voted "Weak Delete" on that Afd. My comment here was only prompted by  Bait30   Talk?'s comment above regarding another edit war, which I found a little disconcerting. I have no intention of taking this further—more experienced editors may want to—but I simply wanted to call it to the attention of the closing administrator. If you or anyone else feels that it merits further discussion, feel free to get in touch. Thanks, Dflaw4 (talk) 07:50, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The administrator who closes this is only going to assess the consensus of this discussion, not necessarily the behavior of anyone involved in it. If you or anyone else wants or expects them to look at something else, then you should bring it up for discussion at one of the WP:ANs. FWIW, unsourced or poorly sourced content can be removed at anytime from any article per WP:UNSOURCED, but particularly in the case of BLPs per WP:BLPSOURCES; moreover, the repeated re-adding of such unsourced or poorly sourced content is also likely to continued to be removed for the same reason. Same goes for the inappropriate removal of AfD templates from articles being discussed at AfD; such removals are bound to be reverted. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:13, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your response, Marchjuly. I apologise if my comment hit a nerve with anyone—that was not intended—but, as you said, this is not the place for a discussion of this nature, and I have no intention of carrying out a protracted exchange on what is, I think, a relatively nominal issue. Thanks, Dflaw4 (talk) 08:21, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - his "helmsman" work has been more of a director than an ordinary producer. Bearian (talk) 12:09, 7 February 2020 (UTC)


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