Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeff Hwang


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The result was   Redirect. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 14:21, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Jeff Hwang

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Does not appear to meet Wikipedia's guidelines for inclusion of an individual. A good reference for the appropriate individuals to be included is detailed at WP:MILPEOPLE. tedder (talk) 02:20, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Addendum- in reality, this doesn't need deletion, it needs to be a redirect to the Mackay Trophy, but I created the AFD because I swear this biography has been dealt with, but I can't find record of it, so a binding AFD is better than simply redirecting. tedder (talk) 02:25, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I think I remember seeing something about speculation he could become the first Korean-American general officer; I'll try to source it. Dru of Id (talk) 03:26, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * USMC David D. Yoo already nominated. Dru of Id (talk) 03:33, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

My article cites reliable sources including a published book and two newspapers. For comparison another recent USAF colonel noted for his victories has an article Cesar Rodriguez (USAF pilot). Boortootle (talk) 04:49, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Colonels are not presumed to be inherently notable after the US Civil War. See Other stuff exists, an argument to avoid. Were that article challenged, while it as yet does not include his awards, they are displayed in one of the references and include the Legion of Merit, 3 Silver Stars (one for valor), and the Bronze Star Medal, and would therefore likely be kept. Dru of Id (talk) 11:40, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Similar to the decorations awarded to Col. Rodriguez, Col. Hwang earned the Mackay Trophy, the signature prize of the USAF. Boortootle (talk) 15:37, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I assumed the Flying Cross was the pinnacle as a flying award. By no means is it "[the] nation's highest award for valour" as necessary under WP:MILPEOPLE. tedder (talk) 15:45, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

The Distinguished Flying Cross is an award for valor. In a separate track of achievement, the Mackay Trophy is again the signature prize of the USAF. It looks like the page you linked offers some points for guidance but isn't a strict formula like a necessary test. Reasonable interpretation should be used based on the guidance points and I believe this article falls into the ambit of that criteria. Boortootle (talk) 16:04, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Only the Army awards the DFC solely for valor; I find no reference which confirms which was awarded to Col. Hwang, and like the Silver Star, it would require multiple valorous awards; one item I lost in my post about COL Rodriguez, he additionally has a DFC with V, meeting the multiple valorous awards. Dru of Id (talk) 19:23, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
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 * Redirect to Mackay Trophy. The Mackay Trophy, unfortunatly, isn't the sort of award that confers notability - it's often awarded to groups, and, frankly, for simple, non-notable things ("a flawless deployment of 72 F-4 Phantom IIs...without a single abort", while laudable, isn't Wikipedia worthy, for instance), and "shooting down two enemy aircraft in one mission" is not the sort of thing that confers notability. Colonel Hwang's actions, even though the brass decided to give him a trophy for them, were WP:RUNOFTHEMILL when it comes to combat; he has to be judged on his other merits with regards to the WP:GNG, which come back with a verdict of "WP:TOOSOON - come back when he gets stars on his shoulders". - The Bushranger One ping only 16:18, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:03, 21 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Redirect per Bushranger's analysis. and, while it's not terribly pertinent to this discussion, I'm compelled to note that, by current/recent Wikipedia community standards, Col. Hwang's achievements pale in light of those of, say, Nicole Sheridan. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 02:22, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Would that be an WP:WHATTHEINTERNETISFOREXISTS argument? ;) - The Bushranger One ping only 22:32, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
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