Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeff Sullivan (musician)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Redirect is an editorial choice. The only "keep" didn't convince anybody, it cites no sources.  Sandstein  09:56, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Jeff Sullivan (musician)

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Non-notable musician fails WP:BIO and WP:NM. In spite of many name mentions in articles about Drivin N Cryin, he does not meet WP:SIGCOV. Some sources in the article have been given misleading titles which make them appear more focused on the subject than they actually are. For example, this is claimed to be an interview with Sullivan, but it's an interview with the whole band. Skeletor3000 (talk) 20:19, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I was close to closing this as delete with no prejudice for redirecting but there doesn't seem to be firm consensus for either of these and as the last editor to participate provided sources suggesting notability. So, it feels like a relist is the most appropriate outcome at the moment.
 * Comment - there have been so many former members of The Black Crows that I'm not sure a redirect or merge would be useful. One former member crashed at the house I shared with other students back in the 1990s, until he was evicted for not paying rent. Even The Big Bang Theory had a joke about that phenomenon. Ping me please if you can come up with a workable solution. Bearian (talk)
 * Delete - This article may be an attempted promotion and it also exaggerates some facts. He was not a member of the Black Crowes but was instead with their predecessor band Mr. Crowe's Garden. Therefore a merge or redirect to the Black Crowes is nonsensical. He is indeed a longtime member of the notable Drivin n Cryin, but most of the collaborations and tours listed here for Sullivan were actually the activities of the band. He has done a few collaborations outside the band, but I can find no reliable coverage to indicate that those activities are notable. A redirect to Drivin N Cryin might be feasible if within policy. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 15:15, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Drivin N Cryin as a reasonable and fairly obvious ATD. Hugsyrup 15:49, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect as above as this is a WP:TNT case with misleading information and promotion, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:41, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - There are Notable collaborations from this artist outside of his work with Drivin N Cryin, such as session work with Peter Buck, Warren Haynes, The Black Crowes (where he is also referenced here and here) and Nikki Sudden. These are cited on the entry and being that these collaborations started in the late 1980's not all media coverage has been digitized and searchable. Sullivan also has some Composer Notability with 36 composer credits to his credit including 2 for Major Movie releases. Please reconsider the AfD status, given his meeting Notability Criteria and in context with the individual pages of his bandmates and peers for which his Notability and references exceed. If the article is too promotional in tone and more encyclopedic page can be developed. Thank you.Dncac (talk) 04:21, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 05:07, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Any idea how long you think this should stay open? One week? ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:52, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , any qualified closer may do so at anytime but yes it normally stays open at least a week more after relisting. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 08:56, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   23:05, 22 December 2019 (UTC)


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