Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeffrey Allen Smith


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. The argument that references may exist and will be produced have not come to fruition. Kevin (talk) 22:18, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Jeffrey Allen Smith

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Non-notable person. Citations are either insignificant (mere listings) or do not verify facts in hand. PROD denied. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 21:38, 15 October 2009 (UTC) The following comment is transcluded from Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Jeffrey Allen Smith. Cityassistant (talk) 22:24, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. It's cool that he worked with these musicians, but neither this nor his ecclesiastical work make him notable. -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 23:49, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I understand the policies, and I have deleted the information (specifically, that Jeffrey Allen Smith has three top-40 hits) that I was unable to find resources for. I also went through the article and found multiple back-up sources for other facts.     I am in communication with the staff at Billboard and attempting to find the actual written proof of his three top-40 hits so that the article will contain information that proves that Jeffrey Allen Smith is notable enough to be found on Wikipedia.  Providing I can prove the existence of these three top-40 hits, will the article be admissible for Wikipedia, or are there other issues that need to be taken care of?  Thanks!
 * Comment The references included in the article as of this writing are either primary sources (the pastor's church website), or are insignificant mentions of Smith having appeared as part of a singing group, or don't mention Smith at all. A search of "Jeffrey Allen Smith" at Billboard.com lists two artists: one Jeffery Smith (not the same person) and a James Allen Smith (also not the same person).  I'm not sure how extensive Billboard's online archive is, but if Smith has 3 top-40 singles under his belt, I would think he would at least be in their database.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:14, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I searched the archives as well, and the problem is that for the specific chart that he had Top 40 hits on (Christian music) the Billboard archives don't extend as far back as 1993 and 1994. I am working on getting verifiable proof that the singles were hits. Question - if the proof is not online, but actually like a paper printout sent to me from Billboard, via fax or pdf, how do I cite that? Can i use non electronic resources for a wiki article?71.1.7.146 (talk) 14:33, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The printout will likely be a copy of the magazine articles which listed the songs, including the publication date, page numbers, etc. This would be a sufficient reference, as it would be verifiable by others who care to search their local libraries for archived Billboard copies.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:18, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tim Song (talk) 00:02, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
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