Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeffrey Boehm


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The result was Delete. Copy moved to List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Jeffrey Boehm. WaggersTALK  13:54, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Jeffrey Boehm

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This appears to be a hoax (though a good enough one that the blatant prong of CSD G3 renders it inapplicable) and if it's not, then it appears to be unverifiable. Scrolling through the results of a a Google Books' search for "Jeffrey Boehm", there's not one that could be about this topic. Yet, given the claims in the article, you would think there would be at least mentions. The article claims he was "decorated for valor at the Battle of Grenada". A search of  returns only this article and mirrors.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:34, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
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On the whole, the available information seems to point to a long-lived hoax. Calamondin12 (talk) 00:07, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom. A google news search resulted in zero hits about this individual. A websearch returned quite a few hits, but none which seem to be about this Boehm.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 11:51, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete -- I am not convinced that this is a hoax. It reads to me like what someone found while researching their family history.  There are several things in it that I do not think are quite right.  I do not think there were awards for valour at that period.  However promotion form the lower deck was unusual, but not unknown and promotion may have been the award mentioned.  Describing him as being promoted to 2nd and then 1st lieutenant is a misunderstanding: there was only one rank.  The senior lieutenant in a ship was 1st lieutenant, the next 2nd lieutenant and so on.  However these are understandable mistakes for an amateur researcher to make.  The role of his vessel at Trafalgar cannot be quite right, but a brig, which transmitted (rather than translated), messages would be credible.  Such vessels were stationed out of the line of battle, where they could see the Admiral and repeat his signals.  Nevertheless, while his career is interesting, I see no evidence of his being a notable officer.  I searched the National Maritime Museum and The National Archives websites and found nothing relevant.  However that does not prove this to be a hoax as the archives may not be listed in sufficient detail for him to be mentioned.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:14, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - I was going to nominate it myself when I noticed someone else had, searches found absolutely nothing. The fact this has never been edited, sources or information, is concerning and the author was a SPA. Recently, I've been searching for old articles like these that get lost in the midst such as this one because all signs are saying this is fabricated. I agree with Peterkingiron in that it may simply be a family history but there's nothing to save this and even Henry Gaston Bunn which I improved recently had better sources. SwisterTwister   talk  18:23, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. Chances are strong that this is a hoax. A few thoughts:
 * No references exist for HMS Lamerton in connection with the Battle of the Saintes. The actual Lamerton was built in 1940 for use in World War II.
 * No evidence has been found that the Royal Navy ever included a "supply ship," or any other kind of ship, called HMS Vargas. Among other sources, no ship by this name exists at List of ship names of the Royal Navy (U–Z).
 * The Battle of Trafalgar, of course, is extensively documented, and the National Archives' database includes no record of any individual named Boehm in the Royal Navy for this battle. Significantly, the Pickle's commander John Richards Lapenotière is included, demonstrating that the National Archives contain muster roll information for the Pickle but that Boehm's name is not found there.
 * For what it is worth, van Welks does not appear to be a surname in actual use, and the only Google hits for "Elizabeth van Welks" are in this article.
 * A 2014 edit even declared the article a hoax, but was automatically reverted.
 * Comment: I'm leaning towards this being a hoax as well since I can find no actual sourcing for him - which is especially troubling when you figure that this article makes some fairly big claims. If no one objects, I don't mind closing this one a few days early and moving this to Wikipedia's hoax archives. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  04:03, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. Even if it's not a hoax (and it does appear to be) he was only a lieutenant. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:19, 10 August 2015 (UTC)


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