Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeffrey Trudeau Jr.


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. If an editor wants to work on this article in Draft space and will submit it to AFC for approval, let me know or you can go to [WP:REFUND]]. Head's up to those helpful admins who work at REFUND. Liz Read! Talk! 22:00, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Jeffrey Trudeau Jr.

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I wasn't able to find reliable, independent, indepth sources about him (so not databases, organisators, ...), just routine match coverage. Lacks notability. Fram (talk) 13:35, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Updated the article to include a more homogenic set of results and backed it up with articles from an independant source (PokerNews (not exactly routine coverage)). TheElvisBelievingBumbleBee (talk) 20:51, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The thing about him being a micro stakes qualifier doesn't take away his results (some high-stakes). In the second revision of the article I panned out his high-stakes results and in the third revision I included his most notable midstakes results. TheElvisBelievingBumbleBee (talk) 16:36, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Enos733 (talk) 18:40, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and United States of America. Fram (talk) 13:35, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete Semi-pro implies amateur, so there won't be much coverage... and there isn't. It's all Pokerweb sites. Gnews has nothing about this fellow. Oaktree b (talk) 19:53, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep It does't matter if you're a semi-professional and/or micro stakes player when you have over $3,500,000 in poker winnings. Many bracelet winning players doesn't add up to that. TheElvisBelievingBumbleBee (talk) 09:14, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * But we need sourcing that covers this, otherwise, we have an article only sourced to gaming websites. Oaktree b (talk) 13:22, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * But PokerNews, the most frequently used source in the article, although a gaming wesite, is independant and not regulated by the poker market in itself. TheElvisBelievingBumbleBee (talk) 13:41, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Even if all of the PokerNews articles were SIGCOV, that would count as ONE source and the requirement for GNG is "multiple". As it is, 3/4 PokerNews articles are mentions in routine event recaps/stats, 1/4 has slightly more commentary but is still routine. The PokerGuru source is similarly deficient.
 * JoelleJay (talk) 02:56, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Added a new source (Seminole Hard Rock Poker Open (SHRPO)) so that the article now has five sources independant to eachother. TheElvisBelievingBumbleBee (talk) 09:06, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * This source covers his biggest score to date ($352,200). That alone should merit noteworthyness regardless of a (factual) news article. Many news articles copies their material from poker articles anyway. TheElvisBelievingBumbleBee (talk) 11:33, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Notability is solely dependent on the amount and depth of coverage in independent secondary RS, not on level of accomplishment. If news articles are just copying announcements from poker outlets then those aren't independent either. JoelleJay (talk) 19:35, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * SHRPO is obviously not an independent source on the subject. JoelleJay (talk) 19:36, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Backed up his Main Event results with two new refs (ESPN Sports). TheElvisBelievingBumbleBee (talk) 11:02, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * But again, these are brief mentions in routine tournament recaps. NOTNEWS makes it clear that routine sports reports are not enough for notability. JoelleJay (talk) 02:29, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * "Guy did stuff, scored 12345" is about what each source says, loooong way from notability. Oaktree b (talk) 15:36, 1 September 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.