Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeffrey Vinokur


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The result was   delete. Spartaz Humbug! 04:00, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Jeffrey Vinokur

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Twinkle crapped out on another user, and as usual, that leaves me as the ONLY PERSON ON ALL OF WIKIPEDIA who can clean up redlinked AFDs. Open your eyes, people.

Anyway, seems to fail WP:GNG. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 17:13, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I saw, but since there was no deletion rationale in any edit summary, I waited to see whether the original editor would spot, and fix, xyr own mistake within 24 hours. After all, xe is the one with the motivation to get the article to AFD. Uncle G (talk) 17:36, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry. This was my rationale, word-for-word: Not notable. "Best known for his appearance on America's Got Talent" is not qualifying, particularly since he was rejected. The numerous other contestants in America's Got Talent and American Idol do not have articles unless they achieved notability elsewhere or at least made it to the top ten. I noticed Twinkle hadn't created the page, but wanted to give it a day as I have experienced delays from Twinkle before. — the Man in Question (in question)  18:08, 26 August 2010 (UTC) Oops, I forgot that this was a dancer and not a singer, but still, I'm not convinced by the sources reliable enough to establish notability. Minima c  ( talk ) 20:05, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Lacks reliable secondary sources necessary to establish notability under WP:BIO. Uncle Dick (talk) 19:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails notability and biography guidelines and the biographies of living persons policy, and also it seriously lacks reliable sources. Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:49, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong delete - long overdue deletion, as failing in any even vaguely credible assertion of notability. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  20:01, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete No notable chart singles. Minima  c  ( talk ) 20:03, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I re-established my vote comment (see below) Minima  c  ( talk ) 04:18, 1 September 2010 (UTC)


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 * Delete, does not appear to meet WP:BIO as a dancer or any other way. -- Kinu t /c  08:08, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - Per nom. Joaquin008  ( talk ) 13:03, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Notable, Do Not Delete, I am the original editor of this article. I admit it needs a lot of work, but I do believe the subject person is notable based upon the Wikipedia Notability Guidelines. Vinokur has appeared significantly as the main subject in 3 independent reliable news sources:

Daily Cardinal Newspaper (http://issuu.com/the_daily_cardinal/docs/2009-03-03)

University of Wisconsin News (http://www.news.wisc.edu/17775)

North Jersey Community Life & The Record (http://www.northjersey.com/news/100004489_So_you_think_you_can_do_science_.html).

He has also appeared to a lesser extent in the Badger Herald, the largest independent student newspaper in USA, Wisconsin Week, and also pictured in the Chicago Sun Times. According to the general notability guidelines the above 3 newspapers with links are reliable sources and Vinokur was the main person covered in all three independent sources. I believe this serves as reliable evidence. According to his website, the subject should be appearing on Big Ten Network Television September 10th which will also add to his notability.

I hope you would kindly consider the points above and would appreciate your help greatly in hopefully improving the article. --User:Mikeghersh —Preceding undated comment added 21:14, 31 August 2010 (UTC). I appreciate the author's effort to provide some sources, but as Kinu said, a student-run newspaper does not have the same editorial oversight as the Washington Post, especially when it comes to stories about their peers. Furthermore, this person seems to be a local star, not a worldwide famous person, as the article asserts that he is "best known" for his appearances on America's Got Talent. I'm sorry for Mikeghersh but IMO the page still fails WP:GNG. Joaquin008 ( talk ) 10:21, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: looking at the sources, I'm not certain WP:RS is met. A college newspaper writing an article about one of its students is nothing new, and does not necessarily guarantee notability. If this were the case, many college athletes, musicians, etc., would automatically be notable by guideline. Likewise, I feel that the North Jersey article is a good start, but ultimately I wonder whether the article exists due to WP:LOCAL bias; that is, without being too speculative, I would surmise the source published the article because it is the small town of Montvale, NJ and it's "something neat" to write about. Local newspapers publish "interest" stories like that all the time, and that type of reporting should not automatically be assumed to convey notability. To wit, WP:GNG states: The number and nature of reliable sources needed varies depending on the depth of coverage and quality of the sources. I don't automatically assume that student-run newspapers have the same editorial oversight as the Washington Post, especially when it comes to stories about their peers. :P Indeed, there's no specific number of sources needed, but to be convinced of notability, I would personally need to see deeper coverage outside of his "home" area. The sources seem to show that he might be of minor celebrity in the his college area and in his hometown, but nothing beyond that. Furthermore, the article asserts that he is "best known" for his appearances on America's Got Talent. Any WP:RS need to support that claim of notability. Other sources could then possibly used to add additional biographical information, but without any sort of WP:RS-based information or commentary about the appearances, the additional information is moot. -- Kinu t /c  21:29, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Looking at the context it doesn't meet the guideline on WP:ANYBIO. Being best known for his appearance on America's Got Talent means that it's a local person, and not a worldwide famous person. Also, I tried to link the award UW-Madison Outstanding Freshman Award but that doesn't have an article either. Minima  c  ( talk ) 04:12, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * response - still doesn't qualify; YouTube views are not a meaningful metric for anything, and the sources are not gonna make it for the reasons already delineated above. If he actually becomes notable (and I don't mean for being briefly on Big Ten Network Television, whatever that is; I was a contestant on a Comedy Central gameshow without becoming notable thereby), a new article can be crafted. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  16:17, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * response - If you look at WP:ENT, the subject does meet the third point in qualifying for notability: "Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. " Vinokur's unique and innovative dance routines combining chemistry demonstrations got him recognized on the top 100 acts of America's Got Talent which is seen by over 10 million people in the USA & Canada. To reply to Orange Mike's comment: Big Ten Network is an American sports television channel that reaches 40 million household worldwide. If you combine the below 4 points I strongly believe you have achieved notability. Please consider.
 * Multiple independent newspaper articles that Vinokur is the main subject as per WP:GNG
 * Being on NBC's America's Got Talent as documented in the New Jersey article
 * Accumulating 5 million worldwide YouTube views and selling videos in Saudi Arabia and Great Britain as reported in the Wisconsin news article.
 * The fact that as an entertainer he has made unique and innovative contributions to dance and chemistry demonstrations as per WP:ENT --User:Mikeghersh —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.240.35.92 (talk) 03:06, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
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