Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jehovah's Witnesses in Nigeria


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Keep. Being an orphaned article or of perceived poor literary quality are not reasons for deletion. Those who are bold are welcome to take the initiative to merge the article. Pastor Theo (talk) 01:45, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Jehovah's Witnesses in Nigeria
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Orphan. Poor quality. No other articles of format 'Jehovah's Witnesses in [country]' exist, and JW activities in Nigeria are not especially notable. Jeffro 77 (talk) 16:32, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete No evidence that this organization's activities in this country are particularly notable.  Triplestop  x3  17:05, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge to Religion in Nigeria. Not notable enough for independent article.  Neil   Clancy  17:43, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions.  -- the wub  "?!"  17:49, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions.  -- the wub  "?!"  17:49, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete and merge content to main JW article and/or Religion in Nigeria. Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 20:22, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge to Religion in Nigeria. Article lacks notability on its own, is poorly written and appears to exist as a means of advertising a contact address. LTSally (talk) 01:14, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment What are the notability criteria for religious groups? How can a religious minority of 87000 people (with reliable sources) be non notable?
 * keep or merge no valid reason to delete - sources assert notability, and a religious minority of such a size in a mostly muslim country is clearly notable. Deleting this would be a clear case of systemic bias. Low quality is arguable, but not a valid reason to delete. Improve it instead. ·Maunus· ƛ · 02:08, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The only English references provided are on Watch Tower websites, only one of which has any passing notability in the media. Of the references in German, 2 simply state the ratio of JWs in Nigeria (0.2%), and the other makes a passing reference to the total number of members there.-- Jeffro 77 (talk) 02:57, 25 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep i wrote this article although I by no means an advocate of JW. There is no additional to get hold of. You can see the importance of the topic by the number of JW in Nigeria, which is shown by references in the text. Sarcelles (talk) 09:38, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Though it is not entirely clear what you mean by "there is no additional to get hold of", if there is no other information in reliable third-party sources other than some trivial statistics in German, it is probably not notable in relation to JW activities in other countries. The number of JWs in Nigeria in relation to the total population (0.2%) is also not particularly notable. If there are notable third-party sources, a brief comment in Religion in Nigeria would be sufficient coverage.-- Jeffro 77 (talk) 14:42, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I meant There is no additional information to get hold of Sarcelles (talk) 16:05, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. And if "there is no additional information to get hold of", then JW activities in Nigeria in particular are probably not notable.-- Jeffro 77 (talk) 05:02, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment i know that other stuff exists isn't an argument but since the nominator is using "other stuff doesn't exist" as an argument for deletion I think it is in order to mention that while there is no other articles about "jehovah's witnesses in X-country" there are several articles of "X-religion in Nigeria". For example there is an article on Bahá'í Faith in Nigeria (the bahai have 1000 members in Nigeria) and several other small religous groups such as Rosencrucians, Ogboni Fraternity and others. This article is clearly part of this series of articles·Maunus· ƛ · 03:27, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The Bahá'í Faith is a branch of religion, not a denomination; the relevant analogous article to Bahá'í Faith in Nigeria would be Christianity in Nigeria, which is not being disputed.-- Jeffro 77 (talk) 05:02, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Roman Catholicism in Nigeria·Maunus· ƛ · 13:01, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Roman Catholics make up 15% of the population and over 37% of the Christian population in Nigeria. JWs make up 0.2% of the population, and 0.5% of the Christian population.-- Jeffro 77 (talk) 13:12, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * But what are you're criteria here? They are certainly not obvious. Bahá'í make up much less than JW and have their article which is ok to you because they are a religion. Catholicism is a denomination but also has their own article which is ok because theres a lot of them? You seem to be setting up arbitrary criteria for why this religious movement in Nigeria is less notable than Catholics, Church of Nigeria, Bahá'i, Hindus, Chrislam etc. What does wikipedia gain by not having an article on Jehovah's witnesses in Nigeria if I may ask?·Maunus· ƛ · 13:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This should be obvious to you from the link that was added to the main JW article - a 'see also' link to 'Jehovah's Witnesses in Nigeria' - which implies that JW activities are somehow notable not only in Nigeria specifically, but also somehow more notable than their activities in any other place. However, in reality, it has been demonstrated that JW activities there form neither a significant part of the population, nor a particularly remarkable instance of JW activities compared to anywhere else in the world. This is also demonstrated by the recent inclusion of the poor-quality text of Jehovah's Witnesses in Nigeria copied verbatim to Religion in Nigeria - which indicates, without explanation, JW's minor presence while omitting other Christian denominations in Nigeria that make up the other nearly 30% of other Christians in the country in addition to the Catholic Church and Church of Nigeria which together make up 70% of Christians there. (There is passing mention in a single sentence about some other denominations but they don't have their own section - this would be a suitable level of coverage for JW activities there.) I intend no specific endorsement of the notability or the quality of the Bahá'í article, however the religion does form a specific set of religious beliefs, as opposed to Jehovah's Witnesses which are a Christian denomination (despite the biased unrelated claims of some). Bahá'ís make up 100% of Bahá'ís in Nigeria; by comparison, JWs make up less than 1% of Christians in Nigeria.-- Jeffro 77  (talk) 13:50, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep or Merge to Christianity in Nigeria. The subject did receive it's own entry in the Historical Dictionary of Nigeria, which is now included in the references. This leads me to think that there are other, additional, sources available from which that information is drawn. Having said that, unless that information is found and added, the article in its current state could well be easily added to the Christianity in Nigeria article with no loss of data. John Carter (talk) 16:35, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This has been done. Based on the significance of JW activities in Nigeria relative to 1) JW activities in the rest of the world and 2) other Christian religions in Nigeria, a very brief summary at Christianity in Nigeria is sufficient.-- Jeffro 77 (talk) 09:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.