Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jemeker Thompson


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The result was no consensus. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  16:57, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Jemeker Thompson

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Fails WP:CRIMEBIO. Sheldybett (talk) 00:52, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as proposed, probably. There doesn't seem to be enough there. Some news articles mention him but coverage in individual articles is thin.  - WPGA2345 -  ☛  01:38, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thompson is a woman, not a man. -208.81.148.195 (talk) 21:15, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
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Strong keep. She was the subject of newspaper articles in St. Louis at the time of her conviction but also she was noted as a teenager in Mississippi for her track-and-field records, plus her sterling school attendance record. All this, plus her book, makes her worthy of inclusion. https://www.newspapers.com/search/#query=jemeker+thompson&dr_year=1947-2010&offset=4 BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 18:06, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Here's the story of her arrest, in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch: https://www.newspapers.com/image/140010222/?terms=jemeker%2Bthompson BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 21:18, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 21:14, 1 December 2018 (UTC)


 *  delete  I tried to source it using Proquest news archive But her book got only a review in Kirkus (which reviews pretty much all trade books the publisher is promoting) and a single review in a local newspaper.  there was also a documentary about her on TV, but it gets only a couple of mere mentions in the media.  Feel free to ping me to revisit if somebody adds persuasive, WP:RS - I'm always to change my opinion when presented with sources, but Ive looked and I'm not finding enough.E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:09, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep, notable. Sources are available - just needs a little love. -208.81.148.195 (talk) 21:15, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Can you point us to some of those sources? I ask because an article in the local daily paper covering her arrest does  not carry her past WP:SIGCOV.  And neither the book, or the documentary drew enough attention to pass WP:GNG.
 * The documentary itself is a reasonable source to use in expanding and supporting the article. There was also considerable coverage of her arrest and trial in the Alton Telegraph, a St. Louis-area daily currently owned by Hearst. -208.81.148.195 (talk) 17:56, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The question at issue in this discussion is notability. Clearly Thompson self-promotes by writing a book and being (strike and revise) consenting to be  portrayed in a documentary, but the documentary has drawn so little attention that, like the memoir, it offers little support for notability.  It is admirable when someone like Thompson with a misspent youth, gets it together to launch a new life, in this case, as a preacher.  But it may not make them notable by Wikipedia standards.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:54, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's fair to describe the documentary as self-promotion. She agreed to be interviewed for it, but I don't believe she had any involvement in it beyond that point. -208.81.148.195 (talk) 14:40, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. But the point here is that there is  only one source on the page that even mentions her name in connection with "Drug Lords" (a non bluelinked, short-lived Nexflix series that - I searched, - got almost no coverage at all .)   The sole source - already on the page - that I have found that mentions her as being part of this show is one that names her along with two or three other interviewees in a single sentence, a mere listing that is part of  a very, very long list of TV programs scheduled for broadcast that week.  What I have now made several good faith searches for - and NOT FOUND - are sources that support  notability.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:44, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Anyone who finds WP:SIGCOV of Thompson should feel free to ping me to reconsider. I have looked, but cannot find.E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:03, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per no sources that actually support notability. Mention in documentaries does not automatically make someone notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:06, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   14:08, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - a woman being one of the biggest drug dealers in L.A. in the 80's is something. Drug dealing is man's business. Is this the crime source on dailymotion.com that everyone's already seen? and she, in the doc, is mentioned in NY Times. May be reaching, her book was reviewed by little brown book group On the side (strike and revise)On aside - her son, Anthony Mosley became one of the richest skateboarders in the world, with a net worth of $10 million, via skateboarding.--the eloquent peasant (talk) 00:32, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * "Dubbed Queen Pin by the DEA" she's the topic of an episode of For my man TV show, season 4 episode 6.--the eloquent peasant (talk) 01:33, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * SFGate https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/the-wrap/article/Narcos-Renewed-Which-Drug-Lords-Belong-on-9208161.php mentions her.--the eloquent peasant (talk) 02:01, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * NYTimes mention of Thompson reads, in full: "Jemeker Thompson, a Los Angeles cocaine dealer turned evangelical minister." Little Brown is the publisher; it's not a review, it's promotion. "Dubbed Queen Pin by the DEA" is IMDB.  This documentary isn't SIGCOV unless a secondary, WP:RS discusses it. Bht SFGate article is SIGCOV . It reads: "But not every major drug lord is male. Take, for example, Jemeker Thompson, a.k.a. “The Queen Pin.” In 1980s Los Angeles, crack-cocaine was an in-demand drug, and Thompson became one of the top suppliers. Eventually, she was arrested in 1993 and served 13 years in prison, during which she had a religious awakening. She now works as an evangelical minister and has released a memoir about the life she left behind. You can watch her interview with CBS Los Angeles here."  Perhaps, together with review of her book and the old article about her arrest suffice.E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:59, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 18:56, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
 * KEEP per the eloquent peasant. FOARP (talk) 19:00, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete no significant coverage from non-primary or non-secondary reliable sources. While there is some mention of the subject, nothing that would indicate the individual meets WP:CRIMEBIO. Also per reasoning given above by E.M.Gregory.-- Right Cow Left Coast  (Moo) 21:52, 15 December 2018 (UTC)


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