Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jenn Vix


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. While numerically this is split, the Delete comments were all left prior to Innisfree987's improvements, and there's been no attempt to refute them as evidence of notability.  Hut 8.5  22:00, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Jenn Vix

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Article produced by now-blocked editor (socking, possibly paid editing, meating). Subject is non-notable: no record deal, no hits, no coverage in reliable and notable sources. The article is a compilation of all the factoids, including editorial commentary, one could find on the internet, but it does not add up to notability. Drmies (talk) 02:59, 3 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep: CMJ, Rolling Stone magazine and Allmusic would be considered reliable and notable sources. Also, the list of collaborators (members of The Cure, Psychedelic Furs, David Bowie's band and others) is notable. Editing/tidying would be preferable to deleting. KevW 09:45, 3 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep: It is notable as she's been covered by various reliable sources, like BBC Music, AllMusic, Rolling Stone Magazine, INTRAVENOUS MAGAZINE, and MTV, making her pass GNG. 43.241.117.193 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:35, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This IP has contributed only on the AfD's of articles created by puppets of Caroline A. Murphy. for (talk)  12:28, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Puppetry reported. for (talk)  12:36, 3 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete blatant sock activity. for (talk)  12:28, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. I see no evidence of notability. The BBC Music and Rolling Stone sources cited say nothing about her. Maproom (talk) 17:42, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Uanfala (talk) 23:18, 7 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per . The sock-puppetry and undisclosed paid editing are fully adequate reasons for deletion, without prejudice to re-creation by a non-conflicted editor if notability is established (which seems highly unlikely). But there also seems to be dishonest/deceptive/hoax editing: the article reads "She got a positive response when her album was reviewed in Rolling Stone Magazine", citing this page on rollingstone.com (not Rolling Stone); however, the content of that page consisted of one photograph, this small image from 7 December 2000. How is that a "review" or a "positive response"? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:03, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete. The references used seem to me to be masking her very limited notability claims. Aggregations like BBC Music and Last.fm mean nothing, and a lot of the sources are unreliable, small sources. Even somewhat medium-sized music websites like Gigslutz on their own aren't a great indicator of notability in multiple sources. That said, any musician that makes it into Rolling Stone - even if only once and briefly - has something about them and she probably, or the balance of probabilities, had more offline coverage at that time. Without any actual evidence of this, however, I'm leaning toward a delete. As an aside, the above point about how "sock-puppetry and undisclosed paid editing are fully adequate reasons for deletion" is false, and if she met the criteria for inclusion these shouldn't make a difference so long as any undesirable content (lack of WP:NPOV, etc) is removed. KaisaL (talk) 22:20, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * So why were the Orangemoody articles deleted, ? It was my impression that sock-puppetry and undisclosed paid editing were precisely the reasons given. As I recall, those pages were deleted without regard to notability, and without prejudice to re-creation by an uninvolved editor. That's what should happen here too. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:37, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I can't speak to the Orangemoody situation but WP:YOURSELF implies at several points that even an autobio (certainly a conflict of interest) will still be evaluated for notability, not automatically deleted. In fact it warns: "If you do turn out to be notable, you must expect the article to stay—you cannot just get it deleted because you are not happy with it." And other guidelines actually make explicit the principle that COI does not preclude notability, for instance WP:BKTS, under the header "Books by Wikipedians" says: "If the Wikipedia article on a book has been created by an author of that book, or by any other interested party such as an editor or member of the editorial staff of that book, this has no effect, one way or the other, on whether that book is notable." I see no reason other kinds of entries would be different on this front. Innisfree987 (talk) 21:17, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * You mentioned in edits that there's no evidence she was in The Cure or Tin Machine - it doesn't state anywhere that she was, she's collaborated with members of those bands which is the reason for the association. It's a link used on many other musician pages. KevW 11:07, 19 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete as I'm still questioning her own actual convincing notability, there's sources and information listed but I'm not seeing anything else particularly outstanding. SwisterTwister   talk  06:40, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Through Google Books and EBSCOHost, I've found some of the printed sources:
 * A June 2, 1994 article in Rolling Stone called "Rollin' & tumblin'" by Paul Evans (Issue 683, p. 72) gives her album Umbrella Dimension 3.5 stars. To excerpt: "On her self-produced debut, Jenn Vix sounds perpetually enraptured. And the Rhode Island multi-instrumentalist has reason to be. Her music--clear, simple melodies awash in echo--is all dreaminess and shuddering, and from inside its swirl, her voice wafts up lightly. Catchy but otherwordly."
 * The February 1995 CMJ New Music Monthly included Vix's song "Devils Chasing Angels". Likewise, excerpt: "Vix played virtually all the instruments on her self-titled debut album (Umbrella). 'Devils Chasing Angels' is an airy, dreamy pop song, with wisps of synthesizers coiled around tendrils of Vix's trademark watery bass sound."
 * I'm satisfied by these reliable sources, and as for the article's origins, to me an AfD discussion is solely a matter of notability, which "is property of a subject and not of a Wikipedia article" per WP:ARTN. Innisfree987 (talk) 16:50, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 21:56, 13 July 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep: Sources are relible enongh to meet GNG. KGirlTrucker81talk what I'm been doing 14:49, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Update to say I've begun to work on improving the article--I've integrated some of the sources I've found, deleted some dead links and removed some redundant and/or unsourced material. I'll be candid: there's a lot more work to do to bring the entry's content up to standard in terms of re-writing in Wiki-compatible style, sourcing. The first draft seems really not to understand what kind of material is acceptable for or relevant to Wikipedia. But I hope this start on a revision makes the notability case somewhat clearer, with more reliable/notable sources documented. Innisfree987 (talk) 17:40, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   16:50, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep because of the sources added to the article by . Excellent work. Thanks. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  16:55, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, 'preciate your saying so! Innisfree987 (talk) 18:18, 28 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep - Notable sourced artist has collaborated with many other notable people.Masterknighted (talk) 04:55, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. North America1000 04:15, 31 July 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.