Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jennifer Abbott (director)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. The keep votes do not sway the discussion.The existance of an IMDB pages does not fufill the GNG. Guerillero &#124; My Talk  20:29, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Jennifer Abbott (director)

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Unremarkable director. Declined speedy. This should probably be a semi-protected redirect to the other director of the same name. Would someone mind blocking the latest socks involved with this article (User:Abdulazizs, User:Knowonelikeme, User:Authorland , and User:Nobelone)? Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 14:18, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. It's fairly difficult searching, but one thing I can say for certain: the film festival award doesn't seem to be notable, as every official page for Heart of England FF is either years out of date or gone from the internet entirely. Since that's the only big claim she has, I'm thinking that this is going to be a delete.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 15:54, 29 December 2011 (UTC)tokyogirl79
 * Delete. I did a search and unless this is the wrong Las Vegas film festival, I don't see where her film won an award for the year of 2009 In any case, none of the awards seem especially notable for the most part and there's zero coverage of her out there. (Although there's plenty for the other Jennifer Abbott.)Tokyogirl79 (talk) 16:07, 29 December 2011 (UTC)tokyogirl79
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 19:40, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 19:40, 29 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. Sources are provided to establish notability. Tinton5 (talk) 03:00, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree there is confusion since there are two directors with this name, but this one does exist though not famous as other, but I referenced and cited the correct data found- heres the last film on imdb (trailer) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1258812/combined, thanks abdul — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdulazizs (talk • contribs) 20:42, 31 December 2011 (UTC) Abdulazizs (talk) 20:51, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. The problem with a lot of the sources is that they aren't considered to be reliable sources that show notability. IMDb cannot be used as a reliable source because anyone can add and edit it. For example, I could edit Iron Man and say that Robert Downey Jr ate 5,000 Big Macs while filming the movie. Besides, here's my problem with the sources in the article:


 * 1) This source doesn't actually go to a real page and just seems to prove that the director exists by going to a copyright page. Doesn't prove notability.
 * 2) This is a link to one of the film companies she runs. Since it is put out by her, it cannot be used as a source at all unless you have reliable secondary sources backing up the claims in the site.
 * 3) This is another link to the copyright page that merely shows the movie exists. Existing does not give the movie (or by extension the director) notability.
 * 4) This is a link to IMDb. As said above, IMDb does not show notability.
 * 5) This is a link to a photobucket image. That is not usable as a reliable source.
 * 6) Another copyright link. Just proves it exists, doesn't show notability.
 * 7) This is a link to the director interviewing Ron Jeremy. This does not show that she is notable. It just shows that she interviewed Ron Jeremy while making the film. Notability is not inherited by her interviewing him. There are many journalists who have interviewed former Presidents, Emperors, and business moguls, but that didn't give them notability either.
 * 8) Another IMDb link, can't be used as a reliable source.
 * 9) Another photobucket image, can't be used as a reliable source. Again, notability is not inherited by her being affiliated with or directing a film starring notable people.
 * 10) Another link to a copyright page.
 * 11) Another link to an IMDb page.
 * 12) Linking to the page stating she won an award is good, but now you have to prove that the award is actually notable. Not every film festival award is notable. Unfortunately this looks like it is a very small film festival and not something that would be considered notable as far as awards go, especially since it's only been running since 2009. The Swansea one is good but there's no proof outside of the director's various websites and postings.
 * So basically the only semi-reliable source you have is a link to an award for a small film festival of dubious notability. I've removed all but the last one since that's the only one that is remotely usable.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 16:48, 2 January 2012 (UTC)tokyogirl79


 * Is this real? She claims to be producing a movie with these various famous actors.  I don't think this film  is really going to have any real actors in it.  This seems like a hoax.  The IMDB entry  for her was submitted by someone, who has never submitted anything but that one entry.    D r e a m Focus  23:55, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I do believe that she's made these films, but they're just not notable and there's absolutely no reliable sources out there about her.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 16:52, 2 January 2012 (UTC)tokyogirl79
 * That film was eventually made, but did not have any of the famous actors mentioned in it. If anyone has an IMDB account, you might want to go and erase the false information.   D r e a m Focus  19:33, 2 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete fails WP:BIO, the "United States Copyright Office" as a reference, especially in a biography, is a blinking red light that says "there are serious notablity problems here". RadioFan (talk) 13:08, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
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