Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jenny von Westphalen


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was keep. W.marsh 18:53, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Jenny von Westphalen

 * Delete uh... what the hell? remove this propaganda! David Cruise 10:50, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Deletion is not a tool to win edit wars. &#8212;Cryptic (talk) 18:52, 12 March 2006 (UTC) Smerge and redirect to Karl Marx; she doesn't seem to have any notability outside of being his wife.  Marrying someone notable does not in itself make you notable. &#8212;Cryptic (talk) 19:38, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * This afd nomination was orphaned. Listing now. —Crypticbot (operator) 18:55, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Monicasdude 19:13, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge/Redirect to Karl Marx. Being the wife of somebody notable does not automatically make her notable. I can see no other indication of notability on this page. &mdash; RJH 19:50, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, I do kinda believe in notability through osmosis. Like Stalin's grandkid :x. — Adrian~enwiki (talk) 20:21, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment... and yes, this is all building up to an article about my cat. He'll be notable once I've owned him long enough. Just you wait! — Adrian~enwiki (talk) 20:22, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge/redirect: per Cryptic. —Wknight94 (talk) 02:17, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep no merge. Despite the eloquent phrasing of this well-considered nom, Jenny von Westphalen is a figure of historical interest in her own right and merits editorial attention on her own page. While she may never have approached power like Josephine, nor helped to bring down a king like Mrs. Simpson, nor had odes written about her like Mrs. Dylan, she did support Marx while he worked tirelessly towards world revolution. As such, her life and motivations have been examined by historians in biographies published in Germany and elsewhere . -- JJay 21:34, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge to Karl Marx and leave a redirect here... no inherent notability and marriage to Marx confers no notability independent of him. Adrian's cat however is a different story...--Isotope23 16:18, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment does this standard apply to all equally or is marriage to or descent from some royalty make one notable? See Line of succession to the British Throne which is basically a list of 870 people whose (in some cases, only) notability springs from their descent from Sophia of Hanover -- yes, many of the links are red, but that's an invitation to create an article. Carlossuarez46
 * Comment In my opinion, this standard should apply to everyone equally. Marriage and descent are not sufficient case for independent notability that could support a wikipedia article.  To take your example, decendents of nobles should be merged into notable parent articles unless they are in the House of Lords (for British nobility), are in direct sucession of the throne (like William & Henry) or are otherwise notable for something that they have done. The list itself is of some encyclopedic value (and I'm pretty ardently against lists) but having individual articles about every single person in that list is rather silly (i.e. Carl-Christian Ferner for example... could easily be merged to Princess Astrid of Norway).  If someone can't meet WP:BIO they don't deserve a standalone article.  This is sort of an off topic rant though.--Isotope23 15:16, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep worth its own page. -- mm e  inhart  17:02, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.