Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeopardy! Ultimate Tournament of Champions


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. There is no consensus for deleting the content. A discussion to merge with List of Jeopardy! tournaments and events or Jeopardy! can continue on the article's talk page, if desired. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  01:08, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Jeopardy! Ultimate Tournament of Champions
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Non-notable game show tournament not worthy of inclusion. Basically a couple weeks or normal episodes of a game show that culminated in a three-day tournament of the top winners.

Nomination follows similar reasons as discussed in Articles for deletion/Jeopardy! Tenth Anniversary Tournament.  Sottolacqua  (talk) 19:16, 20 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete or merge. If someone was so inclined, the highlights for these types of tournaments (tournament name, year, champion, earnings) could easily be included into one table and included in Jeopardy! or some sub-article linking from there.  I support the idea of listing some of this information at Wikipedia, but not all contestants and their totals need to be listed, IMO.  -Addionne (talk) 19:44, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable, several months long (not "couple weeks") tournament bringing together the best of the best over 21 years of Jeopardy!.  Calling this a non-notable 1-time event is a little like calling an Olympics Summer Games a non-notable 1-time event.  No policy-based deletion rationale articulated--merely a denigratory statement founded on falsehood. Robert K S (talk) 17:14, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The Summer Olympics happen every four years; the 2008 games featured participants from 204 nations and were watched by 4.7 billion viewers worldwide. A one-off American game show tournament (which, although may have resulted in higher ratings for the period in which it occurred) is not a notable event, nor is it comparable to the Olympic Games.  Sottolacqua  (talk) 17:22, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply. You are right - I did not mention any guideline-based rationale for my deletion argument, so I will clarify now.  In my opinion, the article fails to provide any evidence of significant coverage in multiple, independent sources - and in doing so fails to assert notability.  The inline references are to Wikipedia articles, which do not qualify as reliable sources, nor does the Jeopardy site (self-referential) or J! database, as it appears to be user-generated content.  As such, this article consists almost entirely of unverifiable information and should probably go.  If you can find some sources to assert its notability under WP:GNG, or some guidelines that explain why it should be exempt from the GNG requirements, I could be convinced to change my !vote to keep - though I still think it would require some major pruning based on the amount of info that fails WP:V.  Also, the Olympic summer games happen every four years and were founded in 700-something BC.  Even if it proves notable, this one-off tournament is a wee bit different, I think.  -Addionne (talk) 17:39, 21 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. Click on the News link, and you'll find this tournament continued to get noted in the media for at least three years after the event.  There's your GNG.  RobertKS's comparison to the Olympics isn't as far-fetched as it sounds, if you consider it to a comparison to one particular Olympics (say, "the 2004 Games"), which is a one-time event.  The rest of this nomination is based on flat-out falsehoods, as noted.  271828182 (talk) 20:05, 27 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions.  --  Marcus   Qwertyus   23:23, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge to parent article. The one-off tournaments can be described or listed in a paragraph or two. Except for the annual ToChampions, aren't they all "one-off tournaments"? JTRH (talk) 17:29, 21 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge into Jeopardy!. No need for a separate article. TomCat4680 (talk) 05:46, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Cirt (talk) 00:15, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:29, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge into List of Jeopardy! tournaments and events. I've been bold, creating an article to merge all these special tournaments and events into.--hkr Laozi speak  00:37, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Keep (addendum): searching for "Ultimate Tournament of Champions" (without Jeopardy in front) turns up at least four mentions in books that are not self-referential or user-generated. 271828182 (talk) 23:06, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, multiple mentions in books and news sources, easily passes GNG. At worst, merge with list-of-J!-tournaments. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 05:40, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.