Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeremy May


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 06:06, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Jeremy May

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Procedural nomination; I personally am neutral on this matter. See User talk:NuclearWarfare

The creator of this article wishes to see this deleted. The reason he gave me was, "Jeremy May's article should be deleted because he also shows no notability other than being on The Ultimate Fighter. The other thing about May is, he doesn't even compete in mixed martial arts any more. He has not fought for any big promotions and holds no titles." NW ( Talk ) 00:05, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.  -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:09, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions.  —TreyGeek (talk) 00:16, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. He hasn't had a stellar career and seems to lose a lot, but he has fought professionally with notable promotions, so he passes WP:ATHLETE. His appearence on The Ultimate Fighter just adds to notability. Niteshift36 (talk) 00:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, he does appear to be notable, I have added reliable sources to the article. A new name 2008 (talk) 02:05, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, How is this guy notable at all? He was on a reality television show and didn't make it far at all. He hasn't fought anyone notable and hasn't even fought for a decent size promotion. His record is 5-6 and he gave up fighting after his last fight which was a loss. 68.188.29.77 (talk) 04:48, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Answer: The standard isn't that they be good or that they fight only notable fighters. I know the MMA project has some discussion going on about notability standards for the emerging sport, but until then, WP:ATHLETE applies and he makes it under that. Niteshift36 (talk) 09:00, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Wrong, You throw that around when it is only used for sports such as football, baseball, basketball, tennis and hockey. May is in one way notable and that is from being on a reality show.


 * Keep per User:Niteshift36--AuthorityTam (talk) 05:27, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, references added by A new name 2008 are reliable and verifiable.   Rirunmot (talk) 12:51, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong delete, completly non-notable as a mixed martial artist. WP:ATHLETE only works for major sports such as the NFL or MLB, and only partially for boxing. There is no functional amateur status in MMA (most states doesn't even have it, and in the ones that do it's mostly used as an excuse not to pay fighters) so everyone is technically professionals. Going by his record and what I know about the guy he is a complete nobody and that he gets a page because of WP:ATHLETE is idiotic. -- aktsu (t / c) 15:48, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Saying that WP:ATHLETE only works for major sports leagues is either a mistake or evidence that you didn't read the guideline. I'll let you decide which one. 1)"People who have competed at the fully professional level of a sport, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, golf or tennis". 2) "People who have competed at the highest amateur level of a sport". There is absolute proof that that your assertion that it is only workable for NFL et al. is wrong. Further, just because someone disagrees civilly, I don't think we need to start calling their opinion "idiotic". Niteshift36 (talk) 03:59, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * My point is that the professional/amateur distinction doesn't work in MMA as it does in other sports, and as seen above too many people only looks at ATHLETE and says "Hey! This guy is a professional in his sport, lets keep it" because that's how they think it works. As you point out the actual wording of ATHLETE isn't actually so bad becasue of the "equivalent standing"-line, but the actual application of it when it comes to MMA is amazingly uninformed across the board . There is nothing about the guy which makes him come close to being at the level described by ATHLETE. He is just some dude fighting MMA who happenes to have "professional" on his license because that's how the athletic comissions operate. The other argument of your keep, fighting in notable promotions, is flat out wrong (please name one) so I hope you can see where I get the impression your and other people's stance amount to "professional = notable". -- aktsu (t / c) 07:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:Athlete is a guideline and does not have to be adhered to in every case as if it were a policy. That's assuming May was notable per that guideline.  He's fought in a number of matches in regional, non-notable, promotions.  There is nothing in his record or in ring actions that differentiate him from the thousands of other fighters in similar local matches and promotions.  --TreyGeek (talk) 18:22, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete He has not had any professional fights with a major organization. His entire professional record is the equivalent of playing in a single A baseball league.  Not at all notable as a mixed martial artist. --Drr-darkomen (talk) 18:42, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete Even if we take WP:ATHLETE as gospel (which I think is done a little too much), he still doesn't qualify. None of the organizations Jeremy May has competed in are of equivalent standing to a fully professional sports league.  And I'm pretty sure its been decided that reality show appearances do not notability confer.  However, the first source in the article comes awfully close to being a substantive third party reliable source, so the delete is weak. gnfnrf (talk) 04:47, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I personally find it very hard to give any weight to some random "Central Florida" news channel reporting on "their guy" getting eliminated on the show while calling the sport "ultimate fighting". -- aktsu (t / c) 07:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Not seeing anything here that meets our rules. Not seeing how he allegedly meets WP:ATHLETE standards. Would need multiple independent reliable sources in non-trivial mentions explaining why the person should be thought of us notable. One maybe reliable independent source isn't enough. DreamGuy (talk) 14:52, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.