Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeremy Rae


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The result was   keep. The Bushranger One ping only 21:43, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Jeremy Rae

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Contested prod. Non-notable college athlete. Doesn't seem to pass WP:NTRACK or WP:GNG. IronGargoyle (talk) 00:41, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete as no references to verify the records. Fails GNG criteria. Iniciativass (talk) 17:12, 3 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. Are you guys serious? Rule Number 2 of WP:NTRACK "Finished in top 8 in notable competition" is definitely satisfied. He finished second overall at the 2013 Summer Universiade for the men's 1500 meters. This is an international competition. His 1500 meter PR is recognized by IAAF, which is a legitimate record keeper in athletics. He is not solely a college athlete, he represents Canada in the 1500 meters. If this article doesn't satisfy notability guidelines, that is suggesting that almost no middle-distance runner satisfies notability guidelines. It would be unfair to the sport to delete an article of this profile. Zastavafan76 (talk) 23:36, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * You are misquoting the guideline. Point 2 of the guideline says that they must have "[f]inished top 8 in a competition at the highest level outside of the Olympic games and world championships." I don't think that the event in question qualifies. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a good argument. A lot of the other articles on middle distance runners probably don't deserve articles either. IronGargoyle (talk) 13:29, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not misquoting the guideline at all. The difference here is that I am actually familiar with the legitimacy of competitions like the Summer Universiade in athletics. It's regularly competed by those of Olympian experience (by the way, the article in question is about a guy who beat a Russian Olympian, Yegor Nikolayev, in this Universiade). Deleting this article would be unfair because it would suggest that only Olympian track athletes have the merits to be covered on Wikipedia, but when it comes to practically any other sport (basketball, soccer, football, etc etc) you have more than enough coverage for non-Olympic (even collegiate-level athletes from these sports regularly have articles, and good luck trying to delete an article of a college basketball player playing for a March Madness team). Also, I dare to disagree that "A lot of the other articles on middle distance runners don't deserve articles either", I think that's more of a reflection of not being familiar with what qualifies someone as a legitimately accomplished runner than an actual concern of there being unnecessary articles on Wikipedia (trust me, there are many many other articles which merit your attention far more than of Jeremy Rae). Zastavafan76 (talk) 23:44, 6 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep I don't think OTHERSTUFFEXISTS applies here (in either direction). I'm fairly sure the vast majority of middle-distance runners with articles on Wikipedia do "deserve" their articles and meet GNG. At the same time, the vast majority of middle-distance runners with articles on Wikipedia have placed higher on the year-end world season lists than #109, which was Rae's 1500 ranking last year based purely on season bests (according to Tilastopaja); if Rae isn't notable, it doesn't follow they aren't. But is Rae notable? I think so; there's coverage of him here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here, though the last two are partly the same story (I'm sure there are many other copies of it out there as well) and quite a few of the others are from one publication, the Niagara Falls Review (the same thing applies there as well: there are many more stories about him in the Niagara Falls Review and I just quoted some of the best). There are also mini-articles like this; of the existing references this one has significant coverage of him but as a Notre Dame publication probably doesn't count as independent; the same goes for things like this (though a chunk of that was quoted by the completely independent all-athletics here). I'm sure a couple more references not from the Niagara Falls Review wouldn't hurt the case, but I think it's a keep. Intuitively, I'd think the Universiade is a sufficiently significant meet to meet criterion 3 of NTRACK as a "less prestigious large scale meet" and that most (but not necessarily all) Universiade athletics medalists will meet the general notability guideline. Sideways713 (talk) 19:43, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for all the extra references you've added here as well as for your input. Zastavafan76 (talk) 23:44, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
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