Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeremy Triefenbach


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The result was delete.  MBisanz  talk 02:57, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Jeremy Triefenbach

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Possible hoax. I can't find any evidence this person existed. There was a German family named Triefenbach that moved to St. Louis and Illinois, including a Johann Heinrich Triefenbach (8 May 1820 – 8 August 1871) but he adopted the name Henry, not Jeremy. And anyway I can't find any evidence of notability, amazing survival story, inventor of outdoor recreation (what?) or this autobiography, It's a Good Deal. Only Jeremy Triefenbach I found that had any notability was a high school football quarterback in St. Louis. —МандичкаYO 😜 18:15, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * ′′′Delete′′′ As possible hoax and due to lack of sources identified to substantiate notability. Edison (talk) 18:47, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom; possible hoax. I see no evidence of book titled "it's a good deal" by anyone of this name.  No references and no claim of significance or importance. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 01:50, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - this article does not cite any sources and is extremely vague on this man's dates  - it just says he was born in the early 1820s and died at the end of the nineteenth century. Vorbee (talk) 18:52, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete I have a sense that Wikipedia coverage of 19th-century German and expatriate German educationists is less than it could be. Karl G. Maeser has been the subject of a major book for example, and at some point I will undertake to better align the article with insights from the work of A. LeGrand Richards. The article on the person he allegedly influenced is in severe need of editing for flow, but the article on Triefenbach is just not supported by anything.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:57, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * our article on Hahn actually claims his notions of "outdoor education" were drawn from Bernhard Zimmerman who was director of physical education at the University of Goenigen. It also places the emergence of these ideas, at least on Hahn's part, probably in the 1930s, although it is a bit iffy on timing details. The fact is that various ideas and manifestations of outdoor education go back to the founding of the Boy Scouts, and many other movements about the same time in 1910, and there are other things going on before that. Richard Ian Kimball' recreation in Zion work begins to suggest this was widespread in the 1900-1925 time frame, but the birth of the YMCa is in 1844, Naismith invents basketball at a YMCA school in 1891, and there are lots of other notions of renweal from sport and the outdoors going around for a long time. The article on Kurt Hahn says about nothing on his early life, it says he founded a school in 1920, and then skips to his excile from Germany in about 1933. Hahn was the cofounder of Outward Bound, but I see less than clear sourcing to make this the actual start of outdoor education. Scouting was formed in 1907, and organized camping existed earlier than that.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:10, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment It is claimed that the forest schools started in 1927 in Wisconsin under Dean H. L. Russell of the University of Wisconsin College of Agriculture were the first example of such a program. On the other hand, the paragraph on the Wisconsin forest schools in the article on forest schools lacks any sources, so I can not at this point vouch for its accuracy. This is something that could use more study. What is clear is that no one anywhere outside of this Wikipedia article seems to connect Triefenbach to the rise of this movement.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:14, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Mention of the snowdrift survival story, and the supposed autobiography, originated as far as I can tell in the snowdrift article by an IP edit, five days before this article was created with no mention of it at first. Deep Gabriel (talk) 23:53, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * A reference added when the article was created was probably intended to link to the page now archived at https://web.archive.org/web/20070208121724/http://www.isu.edu/outdoor/history.htm but there is no mention of Triefenbach there. Peter James (talk) 13:24, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 13:52, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 13:52, 18 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete. No sources. Xxanthippe (talk) 23:04, 18 July 2018 (UTC).
 * Comment There appear to be two almost identical instances of citogenesis related to this article in external websites that really ought to know better, both of which seem to have just taken some of the content of the Snowdrift page (which still contains the story about Triefenbach with no source!) and passed it off as fact.  IntoThinAir (formerly Everymorning)  talk  18:17, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:V due to total lack of reliable independent source coverage. This is true whether it's a hoax or not. IntoThinAir (formerly Everymorning) talk  12:57, 21 July 2018 (UTC)


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