Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jerilyn Lee Brandelius


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Tone 09:52, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Jerilyn Lee Brandelius

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GNG fail, per the discussion of notability on the talk page. Several editors have looked and been unable to find SIGCOV. The subject has recently died, although we cannot find a good source for this. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 00:29, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 00:29, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 01:59, 3 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment I suspect her book, The Grateful Dead Family Album, is notable, which would give us a reasonable merge target if this page isn't kept. pburka (talk) 03:41, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment If the book The Grateful Dead Family Album is notable, then this isn't at all apparent from the article in its present state. -- Hoary (talk) 13:11, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The book isn't the topic under discussion, but it was the subject of at least one substantial, academic book review in  Notes (journal). pburka (talk) 14:50, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I can see from that link that it's one of four books reviewed together; but it's not discussed in the first page of the review, which is all that I'm currently permitted to read. So for all I know it may get two solid pages of thoughtful analysis, it may get a half-paragraph "Meanwhile....". If the photographs are noteworthy, then it's likely that they'll reemerge in a different package and under a different title; and if the result of that were noteworthy, then the new book(s) could easily be discussed in an article on Brandelius but not in one on The Grateful Dead Family Album. So if Brandelius's notability is limited to these photographs, I'd tend toward having the Album article converted into a redirect to Brandelius rather than vice versa. Incidentally, and for better or (let's hope) worse, en:WP has few articles about rock music books, and a quick sampling suggests that the average level is low (ferinstance). -- Hoary (talk) 23:21, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep There are now two articles about Jerilyn Lee Brandelius -- obituaries, I would call them -- that I believe are sufficient to establish her notability, especially when combined with the other, existing references. I've added them to the article, here.  — Mudwater (Talk) 12:08, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment A new obituary published by the San Francisco Chronicle should help this decision: https://datebook.sfchronicle.com/music/jerilyn-brandelius-author-and-member-of-the-grateful-dead-family-dies-at-72 "Jerilyn Brandelius, author and member of the Grateful Dead family, dies at 72", by Sam Whiting, September 9, 2020.  Gnuish (talk) 22:54, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: I've added the S.F. Chronicle obituary to the article. — Mudwater (Talk) 23:17, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. An unpaid, by-lined obit in the SF Chronicle is sufficient evidence of notability for me. pburka (talk) 22:57, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Jerilyn's an important part of the history of the Grateful Dead. It is her works that give many of us a view into the family that some of us had the displeasure of missing (as some of us got on the bus after 1995).  Removing her story, her part of GD history, would be like removing the sun from the sky.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:420:C0C4:1002:0:0:0:EB (talk) 14:25, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep . Jerilyn Brandelius was a key figure in early Grateful Dead history, both as close friend to the band and as the author of The Grateful Dead Family Album. Her life and book is a window to the band's early history. This incredibly important as the Grateful Dead is a living breathing thing, not a historical anachronism; with new fans everyday. Rather than deleting these pages, the community at large would be better served by efforts to flesh out these articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:420:C0C4:1002:0:0:0:EB (talk) 16:06, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Struck duplicate !vote.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:20, 10 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:8210:33B0:B504:3442:405D:F9B (talk) 15:55, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.1.6.157 (talk) 18:58, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep The San Francisco Chronicle coverage offers length, depth and detail much greater than a routine obituary. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  22:25, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: I'm not really a fan of "Weak keep" or "Weak delete" WP:!VOTEs since I tend to think you have to fall on either one side of the fence or the other and "weak" anything seems more of a "Comment" than not; so, I think that the S.F. Chronicle obituary plus WP:NEXIST is enough to keep this (at least for now). The article appears (at least in my opinion) to have been primarily created as a fluff piece (perhaps by a fan) and wasn't regularly edited over the years; so, it's not surprising that it ended up here. Due to a recent question about the article posted at the Teahouse and then her subsequent death, however, it started to attract more attention, and this AFD probably further caused it to appear on the radar of editors generally interested in trying to improve it (even if that means trimming out inappropriate content). When I posted at Talk:Jerilyn Lee Brandelius on September 3, it was probably still too soon real world time wise for reliable sources to have caught up and published things like the aforementioned obituary; after all, Brandelius is sort of a niche figure who doesn't really seem to generate lots of wide-spread reliable source coverage while they are alive, but people seem to recollect and write about after the person has died. As sad as it may seem, sometimes such persons have to die before more people decide to assess their overall impact ("legacy") and start to write about them. For this reason, I expect that as more time passes that there's a pretty good chance that more stuff about Brandelius (not only about her connection to the band, but also about her in her own right) is likely to be published. I'm not talking fan page type of WP:UGC stuff, but actual reliable source types of stuff.Excluding the WP:SPA WP:NOTAVOTE !votes left above since they are not going to help resolve anything, I'd be interested in hearing as to how some of those who commented early on now feel about the article. I'm not asking anyone to change their !vote, but asking how they assess the S.F. Chronicles obituary. FWIW, I tried a different Google search and came up with this NYT obituary about Katie Lee (singer) which claims that Lee was Brandelius stepmom. That's not in and of itself a justification for notability per WP:INHERIT, but it might further indicate NEXIST.As for redirecting this to the book's article, that seems counter-intuitive to me because if the book is notable than the author should be notable per item 3 of WP:NAUTHOR. I understand that might not seem entirely logical to some in a Wikipedia sense, but it would be preferable (in my opinion) to keep the bio about the author and redirect/merge the content about the book into it as opposed to trying to do the opposite if it comes down to a choice of keeping one article or the other. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:11, 10 September 2020 (UTC)


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