Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jerkcity (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus There are some good policy based agruments to delete. But there are references in reliable sources and there does not appear to be a consensus that these are insufficient. A merge may still be in order but that is a topic for the talkpage. Polargeo (talk) 07:01, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Jerkcity
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This article had about a hundred sources when I found it, but every single one of them was the comic itself, or its related "DJ Rapekit". Oh, apart fomr one interview on Pigdog Journal (surely a reliable source for something, I just can't work out quite what). Guy (Help!) 22:17, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Keepy keep keep keep 124.198.166.5 (talk) 12:41, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep. This has been covered before, and nothing has changed.  If anything the article is far better sourced now.  What a typical waste of time.  Xihr  22:44, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep. Excising most of the article's content and putting it up for deletion while the page is still protected from editing feels like a very bad-faith move to me.  Who's been whining behind the scenes in the elite wikipedia inner circle, I wonder?  Stromcarlson (talk) 23:23, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Since you are attempting to implicate me and possibly Ruhrfisch without directly saying so, I'll state for the record that I've had no involvement or discussion about the article other than public remarks to and from the original administrator Ruhrfisch, as I noted to you on the article's talk page. A little less of a conspiracy-minded attitude can only help your case here. I do think this deletion request is poorly timed given the then-existing protection and ongoing talk page discussion. -- Michael Devore (talk) 00:51, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I have de-protected it for now (and was the original protecting admin). Will comment on notability later. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 23:29, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Restored the article. Let's debate the uncastrated version.  Stromcarlson (talk) 23:35, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Webcomics-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:52, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, good webcomic but there are no reliable third-party sources cited in the article, nor can I find any in my searches. Nothing in the article nor the above "speedy keep" comments adresses sourcing issues at all. I see no claims that this meets Notability or Speedy keep. Thanks, Starblueheather (talk) 04:15, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, the article's topic is definitely notable, and the article is a decent coverage of the topic. There is no reasonble cause to delete it just because someone's pedantic feathers got ruffled.  If folks want to find additional sources, more power to them. JoshuaRodman (talk) 07:26, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV. --TorriTorri(Talk to me!) 09:24, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete For me the relevant guideline here is Notability (web). I fail to see where this has "been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the site itself." There is a brief mention in The Comics Journal but this is an interview with one of the comics' creators and in 7,219 words, only 66 words (6 sentences) are about Jerkcity. There is also an article in Salon.com but it has one sentence on Jerkcity and shows one of the characters (not labeled). So these are the two best mentions in reliable sources, and both seem fairly trivial to me. There is a nicely written article on Jerkcity at Rotten.com but I do not see that as a reliable source and the article does not give an author or date or source (if it is a reprint from a RS). There is a Jerkcity book, but it was apparently self-published and I cannot find any reviews of it. I asked on the article's talk page a few days ago for reliable sources and what I have mentioned here were the best provided - I've looked but cannot find better sources. I do not see how the article meets notability and so !vote for deletion. If better sources are out there, please provide them. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 14:09, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete or Remove EVERYTHING which is not independently referenced. This article is a mess, hardly any, if any, independent coverage, and all hundreds of references are to the page itself, and should actually all be removed.  Today I even found references to old Wikipedia revids, while we are certainly not a reliable source.  Some editors should be really reading the policies and guidelines, and edit accordingly.  --Dirk Beetstra T  C 07:55, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment So let me get this straight -- Jerkcity fails the notability test because it has barely any references which are not completely independent or sourced from jerkcity itself, but, for example, Sledge Hammer! is fine because it has...uh...only three references, all of which are sourced from the show itself? Or Payphone, which, for YEARS, has been one of the most laughably inaccurate, badly-sourced, and unevenly edited articles I've ever read on this site?  Or how about Dust bunny which seems to somehow have survived an AfD with no references at all?  I'm unclear as to how those flimsy articles stand up to all the wikipedantry, but Jerkcity doesn't (unless, as I'm inclined to suspect, this is a bad-faith AfD because someone's feathers got ruffled). Stromcarlson (talk) 13:46, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply This AfD is on Jerkcity, not anything else. Please see Other stuff exists. Please feel free to nominate those articles for deletion if you wish. I would spend my time looking for more reliable sources here. Ruhrfisch  &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 14:06, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply I'm calling into question the validity of this AfD. Your explanation seems evasive at best.  Stromcarlson (talk) 14:15, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply I also support calling the validity of the AfD into question. It seems as though both the editor who took issue with the addition of, "Also, cocks" and the administrator who subsequently became involved with that particular debate were not interested in impartially resolving the issue, but rather making it go away permanently through deletion of either the phrase in question or the article as a whole.  At this point, the AfD appears to be a retaliatory action and nothing more.  Harblesque (talk)
 * Comment Oh oh, and what about Fresh Air which has as its sources Fresh Air and Fresh Air and also Fresh Air? Should we AfD that one too for not being notable enough?  Publishing and broadcasting something on a regular basis for over a decade doesn't seem to count according to Wikipedia.  Let's cut the evasive crap and actually answer this one, eh?  Stromcarlson (talk) 14:15, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply I did not initiate this AfD, but I have given my reasons for supporting deletion above. Many things and people are not notable, myself included (and I have been around much longer than this comic). If more reliable sources about Jerkcity can be found, I am willing to reconsider my stand. Complaining about other articles will not change my mind or elicit any other responses from me. Nor will it influence the closing admin's decision on this AfD. If you want to save this article, stop whining about other articles and find reliable sources. Have you tried contacting the creators - if this has appeared in newspapers or magazines presumably they would know about it. Signing off, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 14:24, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: There are plenty of other articles on Wikipedia which should also be deleted. Hundreds of articles are deleted every day. That other articles exist which should also be deleted does not change the issues with this article. Note that it took me all of 10 seconds to find sources for the Sledge Hammer! article in the Washington Post and New York Times. Thanks, Starblueheather (talk) 14:50, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Question. Good point above: Has anyone tried contacting the authors of the comic, to find out if there are offline articles about Jerkcity? If noone else has, I will, but I don't want to deluge their inboxes... I and other editors have tried searching online extensively, but there are just no Reliable Sources covering this comic. (which itself is a problem that should be remedied. Just because it's wonderfully obscure and vulgar, it's somehow escaped the attention of comic-journalists for 12 years?!? He deserves critical recognition, damnit! Plus, then we can use that as a reference...) -- Quiddity (talk) 19:20, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Just to be very clear, I have not contacted the authors. I hope they have more information on reliable sources to add. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:00, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I've sent them a note, asking for unmentioned sources. -- Quiddity (talk) 22:25, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. If my voice ever counts, I found this article useful, more than once. Maddingue (talk) 21:31, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. There's no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater by deleting it; there is a lot of useful information regarding the subject in the article itself.  Harblesque (talk)
 * Keep. Mention in Salon and The Comics Journal establishes notability.VoluntarySlave (talk) 22:39, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Article has references although Salon's website is SNAFU right now for me. ((Back to wikibreak!)) MonsterShouter (talk) 04:23, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.