Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jerome Barber (2nd nomination)


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The result was Delete.  Nish kid 64  01:30, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Jerome Barber (2nd nomination)

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 * delete Non-notable. The person is a teacher at a minor community college that happened to get the martial art he practiced accepted as a credit course. That is not exceptional or notable in the least. Its done all the time. Peter Rehse 05:18, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment This is the second afd discussion - the first one can be found here. The result was no consensus but since then there has been no effort to address the issues raised.Peter Rehse 00:49, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep and cleanup. You didn't address if he could be notable for his writing and if he's the only one teaching this at a high school in the US, that's notable too. - Mgm|(talk) 11:27, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Abstain As mentioned at the Talk page, there are others (e.g. at Norwich University). I'm not familiar with his writings, though the claim is that they are in martial arts magazines, not scholarly journals, it seems. The article was originally made by his students while they were vandalizing the Tim Hartman page (a martial artist near him with whom he is feuding) as part of a flamewar that spilled over from MartialTalk and ended at Bullshido; see the Tim Hartman page around the time of the creation date of the Jerome Barber one. I know the principals in real life so I'll abstain. JJL 12:51, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletions.  -- Pete.Hurd 14:46, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete NN community college teacher, writings far below standard of notability (even a book would not be sufficient without notable coverage of the book), and being the only person to teach a relatively obscure topic at a minor post-secondard institution just isn't the sort of thing that amounts to encyclopedia notability. Pete.Hurd 14:49, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete unless properly sourced and cited showing accordance with WP:BIOAlf photoman 15:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Despite some conjecture above, there is nothing to indicate any notability for this person or what encyclopedic value there is in this article. Seems to be no more than any other junior college teacher. Agent 86 18:55, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep I see three independent sources cited at the article. After reading the information at the sources, I think that Barber is being noticed, and that is the definition of Notability.  We have sufficient references and we have notability  - he qualifies.  I think the nomination here is strictly the opinion of the nominator and the reasons given are irrelevant to an AfD.  Clearly he is not yet famous nor probably important, but those thresholds are not required for inclusion at WP. --Kevin Murray 20:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: See Notability (academics) Ozzykhan 22:20, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Surviving one AFD makes him notable enough for me. Would nominators please place a link to previous AFD's when doing a subsequent one, it makes it easier to make a proper judgement. Jcuk 23:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Well actually it was no-consensus which doesn't exactly translate into notability. I relisted it mainly because the original nomination was just too close to the situation mentioned by JJL above.  Point taken about the link to the original discussion.  I put it in near the top.Peter Rehse 00:52, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as unverified claim to notability unless someone can establish (with idendependent sources) that this "first" is actually a notable "first". Community college professors are borderline non-notable ex officio, and professors create new classes all the time, although in most cases the "first" is also the "last". ~ trialsanderrors 23:56, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment My dad use to work at this College. I am a martial artist.  Am I suppose to recuse myself? TonyTheTiger 00:46, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Not at all - go for it.Peter Rehse 00:52, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete This is the singlemost heartwrenching XfD I have been involved with. I want to cast a keep vote, but I have trouble convincing myself that this survives WP:RS/WP:V.  I believe this man has done something notable.  I just don't think the sources used to document it achieve the thresholds WP should maintain.  P.S. I could vote to keep with a redesign of the page that emphasizes recognized rank in addition to this seminar.  TonyTheTiger 20:26, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:BIO completely. Fails WP:RS and WP:V as far as his so called "first" goes. Until someone can come up with some reliable, independent sourcing from notable publications and make the article fit WP:BIO, it needs to go. -- Elar  a  girl  Talk 09:26, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails pretty much every guideline there is. Eusebeus 14:45, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Barber doesn't inherit the notability of his style of martial arts. Wile E. Heresiarch 01:44, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per Elara, none of the sources look anywhere near major enough for him to qualify for inclusion. WP:V and WP:RS not satisfied. Moreschi Deletion! 12:03, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


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