Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jerry Pate Company


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The result was delete. No prejudice to a redirect, if anyone wants. ansh 666 07:40, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Jerry Pate Company

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Blatantly promotional company profile that attempts to scrape notability from its owner Jerry Pate, and a broad scatter of passing mentions. Appears to fail company notability requirements by some margin. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 15:17, 18 July 2018 (UTC) Elmidae (talk · contribs) 15:17, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Delete: Just advertising material. I'd be happy to see it deleted. No indication that it's a notable golf course design company in any sense. Anything important can be added to the Jerry Pate page anyway, where the company gets a mention. Nigej (talk) 20:32, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * This company certainly has the notability for its own page, however, I will not argue against you in the sense that it parts of the article appear to be close to advertising. I am the creator and a major editor of the article, so I can assure you that it was not intentional by any means, I only want to create an article about a notable company out of my region. Any notes you have on how I can improve the article would be greatly appreciated :) --Navarre0107 (talk) 22:11, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Keep: This company is a major design company in the Pensacola Bay Area, and has created or aided in the designing of over 20 golf courses across the country. In addition, they are a major player in politics in local, county, and regional governments (for example, it was representatives of this company that advocated for the chosen design for the rebuild of the Pensacola Bay Bridge that will be finished in 2021). I will not deny that parts of the article may need to be rewritten, but it certainly it certainly meets the threshold of notability for a Wikipedia article. --Navarre0107 (talk) 22:06, 18 July 2018 (UTC) Keep: Now before I state my opinion, it must be made clear that I have worked together with Navarre0107 on several Wikipedia projects (such as working together on WikiProject Navarre, Florida and building the article for Equestria), so this might need to be taken with a grain of salt. While I do agree with Nigej that parts of the article appear to be very close to either plagiarizing some of the cited news articles or seem similar to advertising. However, it does appear that this article is a major company in the region, and appears notable enough for its own article--RainbowIsBestPony (talk) 03:45, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Delete:Regardless of where and how many golf courses they have designed they are just another company which designs golf courses Lyndaship (talk) 18:26, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Even if they have designed a number of large and notable courses (see RainbowIsBestPony's discussion below), as well as acted as advocators and designers for major projects across Florida and the United States, heck, even a few across overseas? --Navarre0107 (talk) 20:17, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Discussion Many professional golfers run golf course design companies (and indeed other golf related businesses: teaching, etc.) Generally we don't currently have articles for these companies. They sometimes get a mention in the player pages. The Jerry Pate Company article is in Category:Golf course architects, a category intended for individuals, because there is currently no Category:Golf course design companies (perhaps there should be). A look at Category:Golf course architects shows up Colt, Alison & Morrison Ltd and Tiger Woods Design as the only other companies in the category (correct me if I'm wrong). Mark Hayes (golfer), who died this week, has a "Business career" section about his golf course design and other commercial activities. My view is that, except in rare cases, this is sufficient. Has the Jerry Pate Company designed any particular notable golf courses? I suspect not. Seems to me to be just a local company like millions of others round the world. Nigej (talk) 06:19, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Discussion Regarding your question of "particular notable golf courses", I can check, is there a specific threshold for notability in that case that I should be checking for? --RainbowIsBestPony (talk) 14:32, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Tricky one but most notable courses host notable tournaments. So hosting an important professional event or a top amateur tournament would qualify. Nigej (talk) 07:48, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Discussion I checked their website, it certainly isn't just a local company, many of their courses aren't even in the state where they're based, one or two are outside the United States. Here are some of the larger and more notable courses their website says they've designed, Trump National Golf Course-Colt's Neck (Colts Neck Township, New Jersey), Schwanhof Golf Platz (Weiden, Germany), and Flagstaff Ranch Golf Course (Flagstaff, Arizona).--Navarre0107 (talk) 15:06, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Discussion They've also designed the landscape architecture and design to several locations that have either their own Wikipedia articles or have their own sections within other articles, such as, Spanish Trail Scout Reservation, Pensacola State College, Admiral Fetterman Field, MGM Park, and the terminal entry to Pensacola International Airport.--Navarre0107 (talk) 15:19, 19 July 2018 (UTC)


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