Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jerry St.Clair


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to List_of_Phoenix_Nights_characters. I found a better target for this (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:01, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Jerry St.Clair

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This character does not establish notability independent of its series. Without coverage in reliable third party sources, it is just made up of unnecessary plot summary and original research. TTN (talk) 19:55, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 13:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge/Redirect to main article. Could have been bold with this one seen as the article hasn't been edited for some time. -- neon white talk 15:43, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Phoenix Nights. Current article fails to establish independent notability but title is a likely search term. Karanacs (talk) 16:00, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep due to disruptive copy and paste noms across multiple AfDs that only merit copy and paste replies and per notability. I see no evidence that the nominator is looking for sources or considering the merits of individual articles.  If it’s an episode or character, it must go as far as he’s concerned.  When has he argued to keep?  When has he added sources?  At least some of the others who typically argue to delete in these kind of AfDs also spend time writing articles.  This is getting out of hand.  As much as he may hate having to actually discuss with others who disagree with him in redirect and merge discussions, that’s the route to go, not to circumvent discussion and misuse AfD when has admitted he not actually after deletion but rather using AfD to get things merged or redirected.  Maybe people challenge his redirects and merge, because others interpret policy in a different way.  Maybe that’s the real consensus.  This is not TTN is right and everyone else is wrong and that’s it.  I know these discussions should usually be about the articles and not the other editors in the discussions, but clearly these are pointed and disruptive noms and we really do need to take that into account.  We shouldn’t humor pointed nominations as it is clear from the outcomes that these articles vary wildly in quality and this just labeling them all with the same tired post is not really honest.  It’s hard to focus on the article’s individual merits when the nominator is not considerate enough to provide an original nomination rationale for other editor’s volunteer work.  It’s easy to slap an AfD template on articles others are working on, but why not join in the actual efforts to do what you can to improve the articles, too?  If you are unwilling to do so, then this is nothing more than just not liking these kinds of articles, because it is clear from what others keep showing that sources can be found or at worst that the articles could just be redirected and/or merged.  Why would anyone not be willing to add sources at least occasionally to articles?  We should ban him from AfDs for at least a while and see if in the meantime he is willing to do anything to build any articles.  If he isn’t then it will be clear as so many of us suspect that he isn’t really here as a legitimate good faith editor after all.--63.3.1.130 (talk) 19:53, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect seems the way to go; but then move the redirect to Jerry St. Clair (with proper spacing in name), since no redirect currently exists there. Deor (talk) 14:25, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  22:18, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.