Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jerzy Nos


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The result was   speedy keep. per SK1 - Since the nom's put "Speedy Keep" below I'm taking this as a nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) – Davey 2010 Talk 22:35, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Jerzy Nos

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Most certainly a hoax, as neither the article of Grand Duchy of Lithuania mentions about him nor Google has any information. Besides, it survived on Wikipedia for at least 8 years now and it's still a stub. I hardly even doubt that if the "Battle of Ugra" red link mentions about a city in either Poland or Lithuania, because Ugra's disambiguation page mentions about areas in Russia and Romania. Snowager (talk) 09:07, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'm not fluent in Polish so I had to rely on a Google translation of some of this, but this book snippet mentions a Jerzy Nos. This one does as well and while my disclaimer of not understanding a lick of Polish still applies, some of the basic sentence structure makes it look as if the article is almost a direct translation of this book's passage. I don't think that this is necessarily a hoax in other words, but the person's notability is most certainly in question. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   11:25, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. Not a hoax, as a quick Google Books search proves, through the sources are in Polish, the good practice in such a case is to ask a relevant WikiProject such as WP:POLAND for comment, before bringing this here . The question remains whether the subject is notable (he doesn't even have an article on pl wiki, although that's not a direct indicator of notability). A few minutes of looking at the sources, or snippets of, suggests that his entire bio would never be much longer; he is mentioned in a few historical documents to the extent that the article already covers. Since Notability (nobility) never passed, it's hard to be sure whether being a knyaz, as some sources suggest (and they may be wrong, since it was a Russian, not a Polish title) is enough. Ditto with regards to what is likely a more correct title, Starosta (a regional medieval Polish official). I don't think he passes WP:BIO on "part of the enduring historical record" ; he is not mentioned by any Polish encyclopedia; just briefly in passing in some books on history. So... I'd probably say "weak delete", but I am a bit of an inclusionist for old historical biographies, so I'll just abstain. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  14:15, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Definitely keep - not a hoax, that's one thing. And if it is, plenty of reputable sources claim otherwise. Another thing - I expanded the article a little and added some sources. Finally, there is a chance we have this guy on other wikipedias under a different name, would have to check that. Finally, Ugra is a river that formed the border between Muscovy and Lithuania (not a town). And a place where the Muscovite and Lithuanian armies met (though eventually there was no battle, rather a standoff).  // Halibutt 15:34, 8 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep. You know what? I agree with all of you. Even though it survived for 8 years without sources, I now know it's not a hoax since you guys all have told me some sources. He might not be as notable, but we may keep this article and finally add some sources. Snowager (talk) 21:25, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, N ORTH A MERICA 1000 01:26, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
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