Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jessamyn Liu


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. After spending a lot of time judging arguments, consensus appears that this person is not notable becase they graduated as valedictorian. X clamation point  06:26, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Jessamyn Liu

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An article about a person notable for only one event. The subject has requested, through OTRS (link to ticket), that the article be deleted. { { Nihiltres | talk | log } } 19:27, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Keep. Public record, relates to position in US military and public policy. Remove some specific personal details if they concern subject. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 21:37, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Significant cultural significance, and I believe U.S. military officers are public officials. Sources cited are news sources. Agree with HW, though, edit article to respect subjects wishes.Vulture19 (talk) 22:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:00, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment -- is she a "military officer"? She appears to be a cadet.  I think the article should be deleted.  The (small) amount of pertinent information could easily be held within List_of_Chinese_Americans.-- S Marshall   Talk / Cont  00:16, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Reasonably certain that upon graduation, all cadets are immediately commissioned as 2nd Lts.Vulture19 (talk) 06:23, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete entirely non-notable person beyond one event. -Atmoz (talk) 02:42, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. In the case of borderline notability BLP articles, we should delete on the request of the subject.  Hobit (talk) 04:26, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * For the record, I think she meets all appropriate guidelines. But not having her article won't leave an inexcusable hole in our coverage and she wants it gone. Hobit (talk) 19:40, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per Atmoz and Hobit. A 2nd Lieutenant is not the kind of officer whose position would automatically justify having an article about the person. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 17:45, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Really not a good reason for an article. The fact that a Chinese American has graduated as valedictorian from West Point is interesting (and cheering, I suppose), but it's the sort of thing that merits a footnote in an article on Chinese Americans in the US Military, or the history of West Point; it's not the sort of thing that merits a full-fledged biography for someone whose career has yet to happen... Shimgray | talk | 21:09, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Additional comment. Liu's achievement was given substantial worldwide coverage, even in/by the People's Republic of China. We can argue all we want about whether the occasion really merited this much coverage.  But we cannot argue that she received significant worldwide coverage. She also made pregraduation media appearances . Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 23:38, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree. I just think "minor but notable" BLPs should be deleted at the request of the person.  It's a personal WP:IAR thing.  Otherwise I'd argue for inclusion.  The topic meets WP:N by a fair bit.  Hobit (talk) 01:32, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment Can anyone with access to the OTRS ticket clarify why Liu wanted it deleted (if that's not too private)? I'm just wondering if her concerns with the article are something that can be cleaned up with a good edit and some watchful eyes to keep the article clean, or if they're un-fixable and the article just needs to be deleted.  (Of course, if we feel she's non-notable anyway it's a moot point.  But given that many Chinese parents idolize successful students the way Americans idolize athletes&mdash;see, for example, Harvard Girl &mdash;she might end up being notable just for wide coverage in China...although I haven't taken the time to search for myself yet.) r  ʨ  ana ɢ  talk/contribs 04:10, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * OTRS tickets are confidential. I've already been poked for mentioning what I have already. { { Nihiltres | talk | log } } 04:27, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.