Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jesse Fell


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 10:37, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Jesse Fell

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Article about a person not adequately sourced as notable. The notability claim here is that he was "the first Pennsylvanian to successfully burn anthracite on an open air grate", which is very far from being "inherently" notable enough to confer an automatic notability freebie in the absence of a demonstrable pass of WP:GNG -- but the sole source here is a local history book, not even completely cited (it just goes author-title while eliding publication details, ISBN number and page numbers) for the purposes of establishing how much it might or mightn't actually say about Jesse Fell. Nothing stated here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to have a lot more than just one source, and the article's been tagged for that problem for over seven years without ever having a second source added. Bearcat (talk) 04:40, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pennsylvania-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 04:40, 22 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge with Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania: Based on this recent news article, he seemed to be a significant figure in the founding of Wilkes-Barre, but probably not notable enough for a standalone article. Curbon7 (talk) 04:59, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 (talk) 05:00, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 (talk) 05:00, 22 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge per Curnon7. Fell seems more local character than notable topic and the article currently fails WP:V. I would not object to it being restored if good reliable sources can be cited which confirm notability. No Great Shaker (talk) 06:44, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep -- the application of anthracite is an important topic. As a person who discovered how to use it he is in effect an inventor.  I suspect the book cited will be an old one, before the time of ISBN, but that does not invalidate it as a reference.  The article is certainly only a stub, but so is the section on the use of anthracite in that article (where he is mentioned).  Peterkingiron (talk) 19:40, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I didn't say old books are invalid sources per se — but the book is an overall history of the town, not a biography of him as a person, and being passingly mentioned in a book about something else isn't enough if it's all the sourcing anybody can find. Bearcat (talk) 12:27, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting to determine if the page should be merged or kept as a stand alone article per WP:PAGEDECIDE Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwaiiplayer (talk) 13:14, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep or Merge per above. The April 1905 edition of Mines and Minerals confirms the facts but also points out that coal was burned in a grate in Philadelphia by Oliver Evans in 1803, five years earlier. Fell was at least a significant local figure. 68.189.242.116 (talk) 18:54, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable political figure, per above. Although I suspect Jesse W. Fell might be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs )~ 22:27, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, as the news articles are enough to show notabilityJackattack1597 (talk) 22:07, 8 November 2021 (UTC)


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