Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jesse Kozel (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. In answer to the question at the bottom of the page, the standard for inclusion is significant coverage from multiple reliable sources. Being listed at IMDB is not sufficient, IMDB is user generated and for lesser know actors such as this person it is often inaccurate. WP:N may be of some help in clarifying this matter for you.Beeblebrox (talk) 17:02, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Jesse Kozel
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Delete. Notability is not established for the subject in accordance with WP:GNG or WP:ENT. While the article presents several acting roles in notable movies, these roles are in actuality, minor, extra, and uncredited appearances. Others are nonnotable shorts and independent productions. Sources provided include IMDb, blogs, and a review for a short he produced.  Cind. amuse  08:47, 16 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  — Cind.  amuse  08:47, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

-- According to the very guidlines established by Wikipedia, "Notability requires that verifiable evidence be provided". That evidence has been established. At what point must an actor be accepted for entry; when he wins an Oscar? There many, MANY less notable actors than Jesse Kozel included on Wikipedia. His name is well known within the horror genre community. If Jesse Kozel's article is deleted, it will be a total sham. Just because someone may not like him personally--and I have never met him or even spoken with him, so I cannot attest to the kind of person he is. But his resume--even if someone thinks being in a particular movie as an "extra" is reason for discreditation--does attest to the fact that he IS an actor of note. Deletion would be a miscarriage of what Wikipedia was established for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Auzmarty (talk • contribs) 20:39, 21 April 2011 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:04, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Delete. First of all, I don't see anything here about whether people do or don't like the subject personally. That's not even an issue here. Second, being in a movie as an extra is not a reason to discredit someone, but it is also not a reason to think the person is notable. Marilyn Monroe started as an extra, but if she had stayed an extra and never gotten past that stage, there wouldn't be a Wikipedia article about her. I am not convinced that this actor is notable yet, because his roles in films that have received mainstream commercial releases were all uncredited extra-type roles, and his roles where he was credited were all in films that have not received a mainstream commercial release, at least not to theaters. Perhaps he will become notable in the future, at which time the article can be re-created, but I don't think he has reached that status yet. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 00:46, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete No evidence of multiple significant roles, lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. duffbeerforme (talk) 01:45, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Does not pass WP:GNG. It is notability that needs verification, not just existence. --NellieBly (talk) 03:56, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Look; I have no vested interest in this matter, other than I think Wikipedia should be a source of INCLUSIVE information.  The Internet Movie DataBase is an accepted authority for actors, and they accept Jesse Kozel, uncredited roles included.  Marilyn Monroe was brought up in this discussion.  The IMDB includes her uncredited roles in HER resume as well as an unconfirmed role in her beginnings.  Please, someone, tell me an which point in her career, would she have been accepted as notable for inclusion into Wikipedia?  After All About Eve?  Jesse has paid his dues as an actor and accepted in his industry as such.  I reiterate: at what point will his success be enough to warrant inclusion in Wikipedia?  Is there an amount that one of his movies must gross before it can be considered enough to include him here?  Has Wikipedia established the amount of DVDs which must be sold before he can be included here?  Or, has Wikipedia defined by whose standards one may be considered notable?  What may be considered notable to one person obviously isn't enough to another.  This criteria should be established.  Please make these levels well known so that we can know at what point actors in general will be accepted into this online reference source. Do what you will; I just believe that if an actor is accepted for inclusion on the IMDB, he or she should be included here; if not, definitive and MEASURABLE guidelines should be established for inclusion into Wikipedia, not just the opinion of others, myself included, of who is worthy of being accepted. --Auzmarty  —Preceding undated comment added 16:33, 26 April 2011 (UTC).


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