Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jesse Torrero


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The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:20, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Jesse Torrero

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DGG declined a BLP prod on, although even he questioned the "cites". Frankly having cites like "ASCAP" and "BMG" as citations is absolutely insufficient and if simply putting anything in a ref template is enough to defeat BLP prod, we've accomplished nothing through that enormous deliberative process; but I digress.

This appears to be a promotional article with COI issues, the claims to notability are doing radio personalities on LA stations, managing musicians (the sources here are things like "BMG", "ASCAP", "Billboard Magazine") and acting.

According to the article, Torrero did some acting on soaps too, but he's not listed on IMDB. Shadowjams (talk) 06:28, 18 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. Near as I can tell, there are no refs. None. We have citations, telling us in vague terms where we might find information, but we don't actually have the information. The comparison would be citing someone's death to a specific article in the New York Times (reliable) versus saying "This guy died, it said so in the New York Times". It may be true, and it may be relatively simple to actually find the information by going to the NYT, but that's just a hand wave - we need actual references. I also looked at the facts cited, and none of them indicate notability, under our policies. The subject is CEO of an incorporated entity - wonderful. But that doesn't inherently confer notability, especially if the corporation is not itself notable. IMDB isn't perfect as a source, but they usually do a pretty good job of confirming existance - and the lack of IMDB data about the subject is telling. The tone is a problem, since the article requires a fundamental rewrite in order to become encyclopedic - which, incidentally, is criteria G11 for Speedy Deletion. If I cut everything unsourced, I'm left with "Jesse Torrero is an American Actor, businessman, and Radio Personality." And that's all, and we keep that only because of WP:AGF. I don't see a way to keep this one. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 13:58, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete No references, hence no notability. Has the unmistakable twang of self-promotion. I'm sure that if someone wanted to go into the web sites of all those radio stations, some verification of work could be found. But that would not result in notability. Evalpor (talk) 02:45, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
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 * delete I may have been a little too quick to detag this one, as i can find no better sources. Lots of miscellany on google, but not all that convincing.  DGG ( talk ) 05:52, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
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