Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jesse ball

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Jesse ball
Non-notable poet, no matter how splendid or swell he is. Hard to find him using Google, but he doesn't come up in association with the names of any of his works. RickK 06:45, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)

Check out: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0802141226/qid=1110091650/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/002-2227507-7588010?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

To be a poet published by Grove Press at the age of 26 already makes one notable.

Also, check out the review in the Boston Review, a superbly notable literary magazine: http://www.bostonreview.net/BR30.1/harrison.html

Furthermore, try these google searches: "jesse ball" "march book" "jesse ball" poet

He is clearly an up and coming poet. Try emailing the distinguished pulitzer prize winner Richard Howard to find out if Mr. Ball is notable. You can find Mr. Howard's email address by going to this page and searching for Richard Howard:

http://www.columbia.edu/cgi-bin/lookup.pl?col=cuweb&rq=0&qp=&qs=&qc=&pw=100%25&ws=0&la=&qm=0&st=1&nh=10&lk=1&rf=0&oq=&rq=0&qt=richard+howard&formaction=lookup&x=7&y=13

Please give me another day to have this page cleaned up and more complete biographical information added. I wanted to get a template up and then I will have this edited so it is more complete. Etschreiber 06:59, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment to Etschreiber - to reduce the risk of VfD's, work on an article in, for example User:Etschreiber/sandbox until it is reasonably complete. Then copy it to the main namespace. -- RHaworth 07:43, 2005 Mar 6 (UTC)


 * Delete, concur with Rick. Not notable. Megan1967 07:44, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep poets published by recognized companies, like musicians released by major labels. Kappa 08:55, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Being young and in a niche profession doesn't make him non-notable. I wouldn't expect Google to know much about contemporary poetry. Rl 11:19, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * KeepThis article is informative, and Jesse Ball is clearly a notable person. It is monumentally difficult to publish a book of poetry at all -- doing so with a big-press at such a young age is an incredible accomplishment.  Look on the web for March Book, you'll find it.  Bf1213 1:56, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep If he's been published in New Republic he easily meets the "published in periodicals with a circulation of 5,000 or more" guideline for inclusion.
 * Vote above is mine. Sorry, --Jacobw 19:26, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Clearly a notable young American poet. Capitalistroadster 19:45, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * "Clearly"? How do you determine that if he doesn't show up in Google?  RickK 21:17, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * He does google, the first hit for "jesse ball" "march book" is the Amazon.com page above. Kappa 22:34, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I tried a Google search for "Jesse Ball" poet. It came up with the Amazon article, the Boston Review review and that the New Republic had published one of his poems. This was enough to convince me that he was notable enough for Wikipedia. I hope that my use of the word clearly was not interpreted as a criticism of the momination. It was certainly not my intention and I apologise if such an impression was conveyed. In my view, people nominate articles for deletion because they do not consider that the subjects should be covered. Discussion should not reflect on the motives of those people who vote and people should put forward good arguments for retention, deletion or other options. Capitalistroadster 08:16, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep (and wikify). Agree with Capitalistroadster --Neigel von Teighen 22:36, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep &emdash; non-vanity-published authors are notable as a class. &emdash;Demi 18:59, 2005 Mar 8 (UTC)
 * Keep -- Jmabel | Talk 23:48, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * KeepTjc 09:14, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep; defenses of vfd-targeted articles don't come much better or more complete than Et's above. As others have recently pointed out, Google hits (and by extension the web) don't adjucate everything, and poetry is probably a corner of the world that tends not to be highly webified. Jgm 04:41, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - David Gerard 10:07, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep; He may be fairly obscure, but what the hell is the point of Wikipedia if not to profile notable people who don't appear in the World Book? New Republic + Grove Press + very young = wiki. montyque

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