Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jesuit Institute South Africa


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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:36, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Jesuit Institute South Africa

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I prodded this article giving the reason "Pure promotion. All the sources are either the society's own website, or press releases and the like, and the article consists of in-universe text about what the society says about itself. E.g., you don't get to say in Wikipedia's voice that the society "trains individuals and groups in critical analysis" without a secondary source confirming that that's what people are trained in by this religious organization. It may well be a fine organization, but there's no indication of notability."

My PROD was removed by an editor who added a third-party source, In Africa's battle against AIDS, a key player hits a crossroads from the Christian Science Monitor. So there is now one source not affiliated with the Institute (even though we are still lacking any not overtly religious source). I don't see that this new source supports notability even a little, though. It's a long, detailed article about the health care work of the Catholic Church in Africa — that's the "key player" referred to, not the Jesuit Institute of South Africa, which is mentioned exactly once, very much in passing. That's extremely shallow coverage, see WP:ORGDEPTH. Bishonen &#124; talk 17:26, 11 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete Reads like advertising The Banner talk 17:48, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect to the Society of Jesus, which is what we typically do for associated entities that aren't notable. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:37, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Gabe Iglesia (talk) 23:50, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions. Gabe Iglesia (talk) 23:50, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions. Gabe Iglesia (talk) 23:50, 11 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete, unfortunately--I think Bishonen is correct. Shame; I looked to see what I could find cause I'm all for articles on religious organizations, but for this it's not there. Drmies (talk) 00:53, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete The source does not provide enough coverage to show notability. However I have to object to multiple statements by Bishonen. First off, a source being "overtly religious" does not disqualify its use on Wikipedia. Secondly, the Christian Science Monitor is not an "overtrly religious" source, it is a standard newspaper that publishes for a general readership, the issues of its ownership are not the same as its function and operation.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:02, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Agree with the comments made above by John Pack Lambert about the nomination text. -The Gnome (talk) 12:08, 12 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per nomination. -The Gnome (talk) 12:08, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete I suspect that there are offline sources that would establish the notability of this organization, but I’ve been unable to locate them. I deprodded in hope of finding such sources, but but since none are available, I accept that deletion is the appropriate outcome. BillHPike (talk, contribs) 12:51, 12 March 2018 (UTC)


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