Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jesus Fabian Gonzalez


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. I don't think there's any need for this to continune any further, especially as it's a BLP and the creator (and only Keep voter) has been blocked. Black Kite (talk) 10:12, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Jesus Fabian Gonzalez

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This severe BLP concern is a WP:POINTy response to editor  removing the article creator's attempts to push an agenda. However, this was a minor arrest and Wikipedia is not a newspaper; anything of actual use, as the article creator was told when his edits were reverted, can be included in the article about the fire. At the moment we just have debunked claims and a WP:BLP1E. TheGracefulSlick (talk) 23:52, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete I saw this entry earlier but did not fully consider the context. I can't see any way that this subject is notable outside this one questionable event. EricEnfermero (Talk) 00:20, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Why are so many editors working to whitewash arson attacks now? He was obviously arrested for trying to start a destructive fire, not keeping warm. This homeless man has no lawyer but many editors working to hide this national story. This is hardly a minor arrest as it was in the same area and shortly after huges fires that killed 41 people, and authorities have not completely excluded the possibility that he, or somebody like him might be a domestic terrorist that did start the larger fire even if he was only arrest for a small fire, it is remarkable that such a man known to police for starting a series of fires has not even been called a person of interest. CNBC covered that the news even caused PGE stock to spike. The arrest has been covered by ICE, Los Angeles Times, New York Times, Huffington Post, Mercury News, several TV stations and anti-immigration group CIS so the only reason for deleting this article would be to censor or cover up the incident entirely. The article as it stands is well balanced between anti- and pro- immigrant and arsonist theory positions, and some of the nominators have displayed a pattern of minimizing coverage of crimes that look like obvious terrorist attacks. ICE implies that Gonzalez is a dangerous illegal alien just the the case of Steinle shooting in San Francisco so this is an important notable topic. If the New York Times says it's not a true story, then Wikipedia can that's what they said, not pretend it never happened.  Bachcell (talk) 01:00, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * "Might be a domestic terrorst". "Him, or someone like him". "just like the [other] case". WP:WEASEL, WP:CRYSTAL, WP:OTHERSTUFF, and even if 100% true, WP:BLP1E. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:12, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd go further and say if you can't see why what 'someone like him' may or may not do is zero justification for the article on the person, you shouldn't be editing wikipedia let alone BLPs. Nil Einne (talk) 03:14, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete- as notable for one event only--Rusf10 (talk) 02:00, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
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 * Delete per WP:BLP1E. Article appears to have been created to WP:POVPUSH. Wikipedia is WP:NOT the news, a crime blotter, or a place to right great wrongs. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:12, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
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 * Delete -Clearly this is a case of WP:BIO1E. A quickly extringuished fire a Wikipedia article does not make. This miserably fails WP:BIO. -AuthorAuthor (talk) 02:55, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete under A7. The article, ostensibly a biography, makes no assertion that its subject is important. (His arrest may or may not be important, but this is a biography, not an article about the arrest.) — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 03:04, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:BLP1E and WP:PERPETRATOR. Attempts to link this person to the fires that killed 41 people and destroyed thousands of homes are spurious and unworthy of inclusion in this encyclopedia. We do not host biographies of people arrested for but not yet convicted of minor crimes. The author's comparison to the completely unrelated Steinle case shows that this editor is here to push an ugly agenda. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  03:41, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete This is way more of 'news' interest than encyclopedic content, the appropriate place for this is Wikinews.–Ammarpad (talk) 03:43, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:BLP1E, which applies to "low-profile individuals". It's harder to imagine a lower-profile individual than an innocent private citizen the general public has only heard of because they were latched on to by conspiracy theorists.  Even if those theorists had a point, there still shouldn't be an article per WP:CRIME since there is an existing article that could incorporate the available encyclopedic material relating to that person on the event that Mr. Gonzalez was unfairly associated with.Egsan Bacon (talk) 07:33, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete due to potential issues of notability and the fact that the person did not commit a major crime, thus giving me the belief that it does not need to exist. --Super Goku V (talk) 07:53, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Clear BLPCRIME / BIO issue. I will note that making an article on the false allegations might be possible (including stock price moves, etc.). There are quite a few sources for this, e.g. - NYT - however there would be little need to name the homeless man on which this was pinned - definitely not in the title and quite possibly not in the body.Icewhiz (talk) 09:10, 24 December 2017 (UTC)


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