Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jesus Freak Hideout


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. WjBscribe 07:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Jesus Freak Hideout

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non notable music review website. Originally created by a 16 year old on angelfire. No actual notability. &rArr;   SWAT Jester    On Belay!  14:43, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - spam. -Sucrine ( &gt;&lt;&gt; talk) 15:01, 23 March 2007 (UTC) Keep per 3M163. Lots of wikipedia articles link to this one (more than 100). -Sucrine ( &gt;&lt;&gt; talk) 19:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Note that I started this article for full disclosure. The site an independent reviewer of Contemporary Christian Music CDs, artist news. The website is frequently used as source by WikiProject Contemporary Christian Music. I understand that you feel that notable is not asserted. Maybe other WikiProject members could help with asserting notability. I left a message on the WikiProject's talk page pointing to this AfD and a related one. Are you satisfied that Verifiability is met? One thing that I don't see your point about the website starting on Angelfire. What's wrong with a website that started on Angelfire growing into a major player? I am in NO WAY related to the website. RoyalbroilT : C 15:37, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, fails WP:ATT, WP:WEB. There's nothing wrong with a website starting on Angelfire evolving into a major player, as long as it actually has.  There is no sign that this is the case.  Of the sources given, one is a broken link, one is a blog post, and the other three are on self-postable link pages.  The site carries a poor Alexa rank of #109,654, and has only 121 unique Google hits, including Wiki mirrors, its own site and blog posts.  We need some reliable sourcing of notability.  RGTraynor 16:11, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Note that I wikified the name per the naming convention used at All Music Guide, etc. I find 32,000 hits using "www.jesusfreakhideout.com". I do realize the google hits is not a reason to keep or delete before anyone comments to that effect. RoyalbroilT :  C 18:47, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Similarly (whilst I don't want to persist in the Google hits fallacy), there are 41,200 hits for Jesusfreakhideout.com. --3M163//Complete Geek 21:17, 23 March 2007 (UTC) Actually, that's only 24 unique, so please ignore my previous comment... --3M163//Complete Geek 21:20, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete non-notable --Mhking 15:55, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep and Comment (edit conflict) I consider there to be three main professional Christian music reviewing parties: Christian Music Today, Cross Rhythms, and Jesus Freak Hideout... it is, AFAIK, strongly notable inside Christian music. Niche-marketed products such as Christian music are generally unlikely to be reviewed by the mainstream/"secular" media (with notable band exceptions, including Switchfoot, underOATH, and the more explicitly Christian Delirious?); should the guidelines for notability at least reflect this fact? Please correct me if I'm understanding incorrectly... (For the record, I am generally vehemently opposed to the partially self-imposed segregation between so-called "Christian" and "secular" music, but for some reason, I'm defending it here anyway...) One last edit: JFH doesn't only do music reviews, but meh... --3M163//Complete Geek 18:49, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, per RB and MMM163/CG. Tom e rtalk  23:09, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep JFH is a major web site for doumenting subculture relating to Christian Music. Though it began as a non-notable Angelfire based web site it has evolved into an exteremely important organization in this field. All Music Guide started as an un-notable gopher based site; this argument ins't about origin but place in it's own world - that is what denotes actual notability. If it were a magazine (Similar to HM Magazine or Cross Rhythms its notability would probably go unquestioned. Simple searching currenly produces 174 results linking out of Wikipedia to the site and a total of about 162 mentions within (Google). As far as the reliability of the site, it's no Angelfire. It has been used as a primary source by writing the Encyclopedia of Contemporary Christian Music, a volume which emcompasses all of CCM, from the Jesus Movement until its publishing, and all musical styles. (full citaton: ). Material from the site is scoured by CM Wired, which is a Google News - like news aggregator for Christian Music. JFH and other sites (perhaps The Phantom Toolbooth, 145 links out) are largely representative of the online presence of Christian Music. This is not a "cruft" article; it does not fail WP:V and probably (through Powell) meets point 3 of WP:WEB. Further, it provides information that is not readily available - for instance that it was once controlled by a record label, an indication of possible bias. Dan, the CowMan 06:32, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
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