Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jesus Miracle Crusade (2nd nomination)


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Jesus Miracle Crusade
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Been here for a long time, tagged for a long time--I decided against the speedy since it's not a very new article, but the article lacks references, and the internetz, while providing videos and forum posts, did not show me any good sources during a quick search. Note: check history for the contributions of a longtime sock (Long-term abuse/Lpkids2006)--there may be some helpful material in there, though I doubt it. Drmies (talk) 06:04, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep This revival movement appears to be notable in the Philippines.
 * Jesus Miracle Crusade celebrates 20th year in Zamboanga, . Mindanao Examiner
 * Jesus Miracle Crusade brings words of God to Africa , . Mindanao Examiner
 * Nor is all coverage positive, Court affirms libel raps vs preacher Eli Soriano, . The Manila Times.E.M.Gregory (talk) 13:31, 17 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Sources I just added a little descriptive material from a reputable looking book to the page. Several other descriptions of this church came up on a quick gBooks search, so the article can be expanded by a willing editor.  And clearly needs it.  It's a pity that so many article brought here are merely in need of sourcing and editing.E.M.Gregory (talk) 13:42, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:24, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:24, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:24, 17 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep The subject is quite notable/notorious in the Philippines. Needs sourcing, but that's a WP:V problem, not notability.-- O BSIDIAN  †  S OUL  04:11, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * , and, all y'all point at a relative wealth of references from the Mindanao Examiner. It's worth pointing out this isn't much of a newspaper--in fact, it's more a charity project than a paper, it seems. And even if it were, it's still very much a local paper, and that is not so helpful for the purpose of notability since one can assume they'd write up most any church in the area. Drmies (talk) 04:21, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Not sure why its mostly Mindanao Examiner that's showing up on Google. Anyway, there are also books. I quote three below. Note how they all characterize it as "prominent", "influential", "highly visible", etc.
 * Whither the Philippines in the 21st Century? :"Two prominent charismatic groups - the Jesus is Lord Fellowship and the Jesus Miracle Crusade - have both gained prominence over the years due to their growing resources and number of followers... The Jesus Miracle Crusade, on the other hand, is one of the largest apostolic churches based in the Philippines. Wilde Almeda, an evangelist pastor, and his wife, Lina Almeda, also a pastor, founded the group. Not new to political campaigning, Almeda's group is also wooed by politicians for support during elections. It is present in 45 provinces and has chapters in the United States and China. The crusade gained prominence in 2000, when it sent representatives to preach the word of God to Abu Sayyaf, an armed Muslim rebel group that gained prominence by kidnapping 21 foreigners in Basilan, an island in Southern Philippines."
 * Christianity in Southeast Asia: "In the second place, the independent churches, by and large, established and developing in the latter part of the 20the century, tend to place the predominant emphasis on the supernatural, including works of miraculous healing, deliverance, conviction of sin, conversion and empowerment consistent with waves of "charismatic" spiritualism that has moved through churches around the world in this period. Thus, for example, the Jesus Miracle Crusade International Ministry (JMCIM) based in Quezon City, one of the largest and fastest-growing independent churchs in the Philippines, focuses its ministry (as its name suggests) chiefly on miraculous healing, both from physical disease and from spiritual malaises manifesting themselves as substance abuse, marital, and familial problems and so on. With services taking the form of huge rallies (often held in a stadium or field), featuring testimonies from people who have received miraculous healing, and with its own radio programme, the Jesus Miracle Crusade has been able to attract millions of adherents throughout the Philippines."
 * Exporting the American Gospel: Global Christian Fundamentalism: "Another highly visible group in the Philippines is Wilde Almeda's Jesus Miracle Crusade International Ministry, which holds anti-communist rallies throughout the country in the name of Christ. Claiming millions of followers throughout the Philippines, Almeda regularly packs in people in a large stadium in Manila. A huge banner flanking the stage reads: "Communism is Satanism", and another refers to the international embrace of Almeda's organization and its alliance with Jubilee Cruades. A charismatic group that believes in faith healing and speaking in tongues, the Jesus Miracle Crusade has cadres of young volunteers who live, pray, and work together. It appears to be a very patriarchal, authoritarian community where believes are required to fast for long periods of time."
 * They are usually mentioned prominently along with other large Philippine independent Christian groups, like Jesus is Lord Church, Members Church of God International, and Iglesia ni Cristo. Most of them are notorious for their political clout (due to their tendency to vote unanimously for any candidate chosen by their leaders), and for their cult-like behaviors. This article from Abante Online (a local language newspaper) for example, shows a presidential candidate, Senator Chiz Escudero trying to woo a JMCIM rally. Almeda's capture and detainment by the Abu Sayyaf was also widely covered in both local and international news sources. To be honest, I don't care much whether the article gets deleted. But I can attest to their notability.-- O BSIDIAN  †  S OUL  08:55, 18 November 2016 (UTC)


 * source South China Morning Post, (Territory crusade for evangelist Gren, Manuel. South China Morning Post [Hong Kong] 12 Feb 1996: 5. ) establishing that revivals are held not just in Philippines, but  in Hong Kong  and Africa (above).  There were more news sources found in searches.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:15, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Plus there was that major incident, The kidnapping in 2000 of 12 evangelicals from the Jesus Crusade by the Islamist] militant organizaiton Abu Sayyaf.  It needs a section in the article, whcih can readily be supported by major international ant Philippine news sources.  (TROOPS FREE 12 FILIPINO EVANGELISTS AFTER ATTACK ON REBELS AMERICAN IS STILL HELD WITH 4 OTHER HOSTAGES: [FIVE STAR LIFT Edition] The Associated Press. St. Louis Post - Dispatch [St. Louis, Mo] 03 Oct 2000: A2. ), (Philippine police chief vows to arrest Abu Sayyaf rebels once hostages freed BBC Monitoring Asia Pacific - Political [London] 20 July 2000: 1.) and much more coverage on incident exists.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:15, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Sources brought to this page amply confirm NOTABILITY. Article just needs an editor to expand, source.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:59, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Deletion is not cleanup.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:33, 20 November 2016 (UTC)


 * E.M.Gregory, volunteer and I'll withdraw. (I hope you believe as much in blackmail as I do.) Drmies (talk) 16:10, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * In fact, like most people, I neither admire nor react well to blackmail. A request or an offer to collaborate on a revision would have been more collegial.  But while I may or may not chose to invest the time needed to rewrite this page, I am firmly persuaded that the available sourcing makes deletion inappropriate.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:18, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I believe Drmies was joking. :P -- O BSIDIAN  †  S OUL  18:50, 18 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep the article's a mess but nothing a good lick of editing won't fix since it's a verifiable and a notable organization -- Lenticel ( talk ) 09:44, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep agree with other comments here. It needs some serious updating but the article topic is an important one in history and in charismatic Christian history. Callsignpink (talk) 02:13, 22 November 2016 (UTC)


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