Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jewish Renegades


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was Deleted by Neutrality (Per VfD). Master Thief Garrett 12:05, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Jewish Renegades
This is an article by an anonymous user. It is a concoction of part "original research" part selective biographies, and part deceptive "self-adulation" (then again, maybe "self-hate"), about some personalities that will surely be offensive to people of all stripes. Religious Jews will wonder how their VIPs get lumped with secular ones and secular people will wonder why their VIPs are the same as ancient rabbis. Then everyone else is bound to wonder what's next? Christian Renegades? Islamic Renegades? etc, etc, Since when is "renegades" an acceptable title for an encyclopedia article? This is too contentious and hopelessly POV. This article should be deleted ASAP. IZAK 15:05, 17 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete, see above. IZAK 15:06, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment Maybe I'm missing something - but I don't get this article. Define 'renegade'? No vote for now, but strongly tending towards delete. --Doc Glasgow 15:34, 17 May 2005 (UTC) OK, delete--Doc Glasgow 16:11, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, inherently POV, and duplicative of biographies found in other articles. In the unlikely event that there's anything on this page not found on the individual pages, merge. RussBlau 15:48, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - inflammatory at worst, silly at best. --Leifern 16:01, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unbelievably POV. The term "renegade" is loaded in itself, unless the person has declared "I am a Jewish renegade and proud of it". This cannot be said about Maimonides; like with any visionary there were initial difficulties with the acceptance of his views, but today you will not find a serious Jew who is anti-Maimonides; quite the opposite - every group has tried to colonise Maimonides to gain legitimacy (yes that is POV as well). The article is also selective - there are plenty of Jews who have had profound influence on Jewish religion, people and history. What about the Maharal, the Baal Shem Tov, the Vilna Gaon and Samson Raphael Hirsch? JFW | T@lk  16:03, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, possibly opening can of forks--uh, worms. Master Thief Garrett 16:06, 17 May 2005 (UTC) (?!? link doesn't work?!?)
 * Delete. I don't think the author of this article knows what the definition of "renegade" is; I suspect he thinks it means "hero," but it actually means "deserter" (among other meanings).  I don't think an NPOV article under this title is possible anyway. --Metropolitan90 16:33, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. No clear criteria for membership, so the collection is useless. -- BD2412 thi m k  act  16:46, 2005 May 17 (UTC)
 * Delete. I laughed, but then again, it's kinda hard to actually offend me.  The article is badly named, and it does nothing whatsoever to enhance WP.  Plus, the name is just wrong.  :-p  Tomer TALK  19:54, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Why don't we all just write wikipedia articles lumping together all our favorite people (especially if they already all have individual articles)? (I think my new article will feature: Batman, Superman, Fulgencio Batista, Brian "Kato" Kaelin...) :-) HKT 20:06, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Nicely done, inherently POV. Delete, but if there is anything useful in the article it could be merged with the individual biographies first. Jayjg (talk) 20:08, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'd say Merge, but most of the text appears to have been copied wholesale from other articles.  Also, The Jewish Renegades would be a kickass name for a neo-klezmer band. Colin Kimbrell
 * Delete. "No clear criteria for membership, so the collection is useless." El_C 20:34, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete.--Heathcliff 23:08, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete.--Eliezer 02:06, 19 May 2005 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.