Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jiaa Manek


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 03:29, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Jiaa Manek

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Delete as the person doesn't satisfy WP:ENTERTAINER, which requires "significant major roles". She just has her TV debut role, a major role in the serial Saathiya (TV series). Seems Too Soon. PROD was contested by anonymous IP without a reason. May also be redirected to Saathiya (TV series). Muhandes (talk) 09:37, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:01, 14 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete definitely fails WP:ENT. LibStar (talk) 11:47, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. If she had the lead role in a North American tv series, this would never be an AfD. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 15:47, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but I don't understand your argument. WP:ENT requires significant roles in multiple notable series. She does not meet that requirement, simple as that. What does the series being from India have anything to do with it? This would have been exactly the same for an actor in an American, Brazilian or Israeli series. --Muhandes (talk) 18:58, 22 September 2011 (UTC)


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 * Keep. Substantial coverage in a reliable source - The Times of India, and has significant coverage in other Indian publications. From the available evidence she appears to be very notable in India. A WP:Before search for sources is useful before bringing articles to AfD. And it's always worth bearing WP:WORLDVIEW in mind when dealing with non-Western topics. This article adequately meets our basic inclusion criteria - no need to go to additional guidelines.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  10:13, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I was the one who added that source to the article, so obviously I was aware of it. The search I did before nominating yielded mostly fansites, with little significant reliable coverage. I did find some, which I added to the article as sources, but I thought it was not enough to satisfy WP:GNG. I must have missed some of it, can you please list those sources that address the subject directly in detail? --Muhandes (talk) 11:18, 23 September 2011 (UTC)


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 * Keep. I've added more references (in the form of external links). I think there's a possibility to compile a decent article based on reliable sources. Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 12:38, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I guess the notion of significant coverage is not clear. The sources you added were 1. A report of her going to Switzerland for shooting. 2. a source already in the article. 3. A report of her receiving a gift from four gift fans. I noticed all of these before making this nomination, and not only did I think they are even close to satisfying the first requirement of WP:GNG "address the subject directly in detail", I could not find anything to do with them in the article. Both you and SilkTork are assuming from some reason that I just nominated without doing any research at all. this is how the article looked before I started editing. this is how it looked after I looked for sources and added all I found. I believe one needs much more significant cover than that for WP:GNG or any beginning actor on their first role will have an article. (also, according to WP:ELNO #1, if you think these source can be used in the article, they should probably not be added as external links) --Muhandes (talk) 13:42, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Muhandes, her appearances in TV and film have been noted by important Indian media, she has performed in notable TV shows and most importantly, the information is easily verifiable by reliable sources. Of course, she isn't as famous as Elisabeth Taylor, but I think our information is useful for our readers, especially for those seeking a comprehensive and detailed coverage of Indian film. It is just my opinion. Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 14:02, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You are saying "her appearances in TV and film" and "she has performed in notable TV shows", well that's the entire point - she hasn't. She performed in one notable TV show and had one minor role in a film. That's it - that's her entire one year career. I don't think we need every actor to be as notable as Elisabeth Taylor, with 61 year of career, but an article after one year of career is too soon. And we do not have detailed coverage on her in media, unless I missed it. We have one interview she gave to Times of India and one interview by her own network, Star Plus, which probably counts as a primary source. All the rest is random mentions in media, not detailed coverage. --Muhandes (talk) 14:26, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * This is an open discussion, various people have various opinions and in my opinion we should keep the article. Her notable TV role attracted the attention of The Times of India, which is a well known newspaper in that country. The article tells something about local pop culture and I can imagine a decent page about this actress. You already did a good job on this article. Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 14:42, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Btw, it seems that she is a recipient of the STAR Parivaar Award (a "family award" of the Star Plus network), see this article, published by Bihar Times. Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 15:25, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I am far from being an expert, but from reading the article it seems like it is the character who receives the award, not the actress (maybe a bit odd, but WP:WORLDVIEW). I'll add that to the article anyway. --Muhandes (talk) 16:54, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oy, it looks that you are right. However, a character can not take up a prize, as it is a somewhat immaterial entity :D I think that characters who receive the STAR Parivaar Awards are represented by the actors. Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 10:11, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
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