Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jill Stein


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 11:36, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Jill Stein

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This individual is a failed politician according to WP:Politician she recieved less then 31,000 votes in the current election out of millions. Has ran multiple times and failed each time. although on the ballot the amount of votes she recieved were insignificant, see for instance Articles for deletion/Jim McKenna who recieved 837,813 (or about 30 times the vote including more then her in write in votes alone) of the votes and was given a delete decision. judging from her previous elections she is actually going down in votes and it is highly unlikely she will even come close to winning an election in the future. The only post she ever was elected to was a small one with 539 votes. This article should be deleted. Tracer9999 (talk) 20:33, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Green-Rainbow Party. Mandsford 20:41, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 00:08, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:GNG and WP:BASIC, Stein has received primary coverage in multiple statewide and regional publications. ~ Gosox ( 55 )( 55 ) 00:34, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * To clarify: the sources are independent. Stein appears much more notable then McKenna. ~ Gosox ( 55 )( 55 ) 00:38, 24 November 2010 (UTC)


 * KeepHaving not won an election means she is not automatically notable. Her total number of votes is not what is relevant to her notability on Wikipedia. Does she pass WP:GNG and WP:BIO? The answer is yes. See the following sources: this from NECN, this op-ed published by the Boston Globe during the campaign, this from the Berkshire Eagle, this profile from the South Coast Today, this Boston Herald article criticizing her fashion sense and others. She received non-trivial coverage for multiple, reliable sources and is thus notable.--TM 06:23, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

They are in regards to the fact she was on the ballot.. outside of being someone who runs, gets hardly any votes and loses, she is not know for much else. her votes had absolutley zero effect on the election any coverage was simply for the news to avoid criticism so they could say they covered the third party candidate as thoroughly as any major party candidate. The fact is.. outside the failed election, she is not known much locally much less nationally. if anything this should be merged with the election article. -Tracer9999 (talk) 13:35, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The motivation behind covering her and her campaigns cannot really be known nor should we ask why they covered her. Neither is being known somewhere an indication of notability. GNG and BIO clearly state that if someone receives non-trivial coverage in multiple reliable sources, she is notable by Wikipedia's standards.--TM 15:04, 24 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Nom states no policy-based cause for deletion. While she may have not received enough votes to be elected, there is no policy that requires or recommends that an article be deleted just because someone lost an election. There is also no guideline stating that a person can lose notability because they lost an election. As a State Co-Chair of a minor party, and through several elections over the last decade, she has received significant coverage over many years for her political activities. Multiple losing candidacies with coverage also clearly negate any application of WP:BLP1E to this article. Per WP:GNG, the subject meets the guideline.  Jim Miller  See me 13:54, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Massachusetts-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:27, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete None of the positions that the subject has held meet notability guidelines so local press coverage covering her work in those roles is not notable. Deputy regional leader of a minor party certainly doesn't meet any of the criteria in WP:POLITICIAN and there is nothing to suggest that she passes WP:GNG either. Valenciano (talk) 20:24, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete What is she notable for? She's a frequent candidate, failing WP:POLITICIAN and WP:GNG. --Muboshgu (talk) 00:56, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, you don't need to be notable for anything. Wikipedia has lots of articles about politicians who were never elected. Are there multiple non-trivial sources covering her and not just her campaign? I have presented a number of them on here and there are more on the page itself. Another WP:IDONTLIKEIT, it seems.--TM 22:58, 28 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Strong delete - While not a completely horrible page, she is not notable in the least.  Toa   Nidhiki  05  14:35, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds like WP:IDONTLIKEIT and should be discounted.--TM 13:27, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

He says he don't mind the quality of the page.. just that she is not notable.. sounds like..a case of he thinks she is not notable... -Tracer9999 (talk) 14:18, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you understand what notability is on Wikipedia? Notability is not the number of votes a candidate receives; Many articles exist and are regarded as notable on candidates that have never held an elected office or received a large number of votes. The question here is whether she passes WP:BIO. There are multiple, non-trivial newspaper articles and television coverage from reliable sources covering both her and her campaigns. Those are what we should be judging, not the vote total.--TM 14:23, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 06:01, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Comment from relisting admin. As of now there is clearly no consensus, but editors are not really discussing/debating the quality and extent of the sources on Ms. Stein. If the debate centers around the GNG, WP:BIO, etc. specific arguments about them should be made with respect to the sources rather than simply saying she either fails or passes these guidelines. --Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 06:04, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. As far as I'm concerned, all else (whether she won or lost, etc.) is immaterial. She's noteworthy. ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡ  bomb  09:51, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:BASIC. Multiple articles from reliable sources satisfies this guideline... And therefore also paragraph three of WP:POLITICIAN. // ⌘macwhiz (talk) 12:44, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete the coverage she got looks like the standard coverage for minor candidates in a campaign, not significant on anything other than her efforts to get elected to super-local office, which were all losses. Hekerui (talk) 22:29, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per Valenciano and Hekerui. It is well-established that routine campaign-related coverage for fringe and losing candidates isn't significant coverage for the purposes of the GNG. --Mkativerata (talk) 04:14, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
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