Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jim Cantamessa


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Vanamonde (Talk) 08:22, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Jim Cantamessa

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Decently written article, but the subject does not appear to meet the notability guidelines. Fails WP:NBASKETBALL as he has not played or coached in a listed league. Even as a coach, he headed a college team on the NCAA Division III level. Otherwise fails WP:GNG as he has not received sufficient in-depth coverage. Even an article like this, which covers his career-best game while playing in college, only mentions him twice. JTtheOG (talk) 07:41, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. JTtheOG (talk) 07:41, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pennsylvania-related deletion discussions. JTtheOG (talk) 07:41, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:05, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Basketball/Notability#:~:text=Players%20are%20deemed%20notable%20if,recognised%20as%20being%20fully%20professional he is notable per 1) Have played for a fully professional club at a national level of the league structure. This must be supported by evidence from a reliable source on a club by club basis for teams playing in leagues that are not recognised as being fully professional. and 2) Have played in a competitive fixture between two fully professional clubs in a domestic, Continental or Intercontinental club competition. Zamekrizeni (talk) 08:09, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The article you linked to is not an official Wikipedia policy or guideline. For the article to be kept, it has to be shown that Cantamessa has the significant coverage to pass the general notability guideline. Alvaldi (talk) 14:01, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Why are there unofficial Wikipedia pages about notability and guidelines? This is pretty confusing and should be changed. Then pages like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Basketball/Notability#:~:text=Players%20are%20deemed%20notable%20if,recognised%20as%20being%20fully%20professional should be deleted. Also I think that the guidelines at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(sports)#Basketball are outdated, when a league like the French LNB is not included. Anyway, you are right that according to the notability guideline that you named the article should be deleted. Zamekrizeni (talk) 15:36, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The inclusion of articles on Wikipedia is not merit based (i.e. if a subject played in a certain league or won a certain title), rather it is coverage based, meaning that the subject must have significant coverage in multiple sources. And all athletes must pass WP:GNG regardless of whether they pass WP:NBASKETBALL or other SNG's as is clearly noted in the FAQ at the top of WP:NSPORT. The SNG's are only meant to stop an article from being speedily deleted. Furthermore, failing WP:NBASKETBALL does not mean that an article should be deleted as it just has to show that the subject has received significant coverage. The leagues that are included in WP:NBASKETBALL are those where supposedly 99% of all players are likely to have the significant coverage to pass WP:GNG, even one game wonders and bench warmers. If you can demonstrate that almost all players who have played in the LNB have the significant coverage to pass WP:GNG then you can propose for it to be added. Alvaldi (talk) 18:37, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets GNG with Pittsburgh Post-Gazette pieces, Washington Post article, and . D3Hoops might work as well. I have long argued that the basketball notability guidelines should be expanded to include players from the German and French leagues, which would include Cantamessa. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs )~ 01:46, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * WaPo mentions him once and JournalNow twice. Awaiting my newspapers.com account to be accepted to see the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette pieces, and the D3Hoops source does seem decent. JTtheOG (talk) 01:57, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  10:36, 27 August 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. The D3Hoops source looks to be promo material provided by the school to announce a routine coaching promotion. I don't see any sources with in-depth coverage (modulo the PPG pieces, which I can't access). JoelleJay (talk) 18:21, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Curbon7 (talk) 04:37, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Passes WP:GNG with WP:SIGCOV in multiple reliable, independent sources. Examples include (1) "Long shots put Blackhawk grad Cantamessaa in Basketball Hall" - 8 column feature story, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, July 1, 1998 (part 1/part 2), (2) "Blackhawk's Cantamessa playing a key role at Siena", Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Jan 30, 1997 - an in-depth six-column feature story (part 1/part 2), (3) "Blackhawk grad over-achieves at Siena", Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Dec 17, 1997 - another in-depth, 6-column feature story (part 1/part 2, (4) "Another Look - Cantamessa was can't miss for Blackhawk in '90s", Beaver County Times, Oct 3, 2002 (561-word feature available on Newsbank), (5) "Saints' Cantamessa already on target", The Daily Gazette, Oct 18, 1998 (819-word feature available on Newsbank) (6) "Cantamessa Plays Through Injury", The Times Union (Albany, NY), Jan 30, 2000 (443-word article available for fee on Newsbank), (7) "Siena, Cantamessa Ready", The Times Union, Nov 3, 1999, and (8) "Greensboro promotes from within", D3hoops.com, May 22, 2019. See also (9) this, (10) this, (11) this, (12) this/part 2, and (13) this. Cbl62 (talk) 04:48, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per Cbl62.4meter4 (talk) 00:34, 12 September 2021 (UTC)


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