Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jim Garver


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The result was   Withdrawn per Gongshow's improvements. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 00:34, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Jim Garver

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Deprodded with sources, but they mention only his connections to Brooks and say literally nothing else than "He was Brooks' guitar player and inspired a line in Friends in Low Places". The "25 credits" is misleading, as the source only shows him to have been on a handful of Garth's albums and literally nothing else. I could find no substantial information on him at all. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 22:29, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:56, 29 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep here's a good start of online source. Unfortunately, they are all pay-sites.  Google News +"james garver" +guitar turns up what looks to be some good leads. As the long-time lead guitar player for Garth Brooks he has had significant participation in multiple albums, tours, broadcasts, and the like.--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:56, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * All I see is six articles that say nothing more than "Blah blah blah, Garth's band includes James Garver on guitar" and no other mention of him. That's not non-trivial. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 01:53, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * A general google search of James Garver Garth Brooks yields around 200,000.--Paul McDonald (talk) 04:18, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Using quotes though, you get only 491 unique results, most of which are just directory listings for the Double Live album on which he played. I see nothing in regular Google that qualifies as a reliable source. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 04:25, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Another search of "Jim Garver" "Garth Brooks" yields another 400+. Obviously there's a lot of chatter.  It's enough for a stub, which is what the article is.--Paul McDonald (talk) 12:32, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * And out of that, what do you think is a reliable source? All I'm seeing is directory listings. We can verify that he played guitar on a handful of albums, but we don't know a THING about the guy otherwise. And that's not enough to build a BLP on. Where are the reliable, third party sources? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 23:38, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Any number of them, newspapers, etc. We know he's from Concordia, Kansas. We know his name.  We know he has been in Garth Brooks's band for a very long time.  We know he's been in several movies and videos.  We know he's had influence over the performance career of Brooks as a writer, musician, etc.  We even know a few fun facts about him, like how he helped name the bar "The Oasis" in the song "Friends in Low Places" after a hometown dive.  I doubt that's enough for you because that was all in the article before you nominated it for deletion.  It should be more than enough for any reasonable passing admin who closes this.--Paul McDonald (talk) 02:13, 5 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Again, all the sources on Google News do is name-drop him. I was name-dropped several times in my local paper — for a piano recital, for graduating at age 15, and for having a website about a dead mall in Bay City. Does that make me notable? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 01:01, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Nope. But that's a poor comparison.  Have you gigged with Garth Brooks for 25 years, appeared in any videos or movies, been credited to any major works... doesn't even compare.  I realize you think it does, that's fine.  You're entitled to your opinion.--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:23, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You're still dodging the issue that the sources you found are all trivial. Which of these is in-depth coverage? None. They're all name-drops. Association with a famous act doesn't transfer to notability; see WP:NOTINHERITED. Not everyone who worked with Garth is inherently famous. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 18:43, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * See WP:WABBITSEASON. I'm not "dodging" the issue.  We just disagree.--Paul McDonald (talk) 19:41, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 01:04, 4 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep per my additions. An article on Stillwater, consisting of info on all the band members, might be preferable. But there are indeed multiple reliable sources which address this person beyond mere passing mentions. I've incorporated three of these sources into the article.  Gong   show  00:32, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
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